I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
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I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a
close proximity to high tension wires.
I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200
feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous.
I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun
intended).
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
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I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

What a behind-the-times bunch of Putzes!

It has been proven electrons don't have an orbit. According to
quantum mechanics, electrons only have probability of filling those
areas around the core of an atom where the wave component of
the electron can exist without canceling itself out.

I hope this helps.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message ...
I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

The E and H field of an orbiting, non radiating electron are in phase
quadrature. When an electron spins on its own axis, it creates a magnetic
field.
Interestingly, a discovery by Faraday, shows that a moving charged
dielectric creates a magnetic field.
Another item of interest is Farady's unipolar generator where there is no
relative motion between the conductor and magnet and current is produced.
These type of generators are used to generate high currents.
Falling water droplets can generate very high voltages, as discovered by
Lord Kelvin (Kelvin electrostatic generator).

Amen!

Bob Crantz


"Scout" wrote in message
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I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

Here's a reference from a company that produces permanent magnets. They
explain the cause of magnetism in the permanent magnet:

http://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/mtc/pm_manual_chap_1.htm

"Magnetic fields from permanent magnets arise from two atomic sources: the
spin and orbital motions of electrons. Therefore, the magnetic
characteristics of a material may change as a function of alloying with
other elements. For example, a non-magnetic material such as aluminum can
become magnetic in materials such as alnico or manganese-aluminum-carbon. It
may also change from mechanical working or any other stress to the crystal
lattice."

The orbital motion as well as the spin are regarded as electrical currents.
By definition I= dQ/dt (the current is equal to the change in charge with
regard to time at a specific location). If a charge moves, it is current, it
is electricity. For example, solar flares are huge charge ejections that
create magnetic fields with no conductor involved.

Remember the electric and magnetic field of the sun is so small it can't
possibly knock out satellites, let alone affect power grids here on earth!

The gravitational field follows the same decay rate as the electric field
from a charged sphere. Hence, the gravitational field of the sun or moon is
so weak it can't affect us here on earth!

Sunlight is so weak in field strength (it's an electromagnetic wave too) it
can't possible cause cancer!

Amen!

Bob Crantz



"Scout" wrote in message
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I see what you mean. Each electron orbit is a closed circuit.
Does emf play some role in propelling an electron through its orbit?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote
The flux must cross a closed conductor (loop) for current to flow. But
that
is pertinent to a permanent magnet.

Atoms have magnetic fields from the electron orbits. The electron is in
motion around the nucleus in a closed path. The electron, through its
motion, is a current and generates a magnetic field. If enough atoms are
in
correct alignemnt you have a net magnetic field.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"JG" wrote in message
...
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill
effects
on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their
study
was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More
investigation is, of course, warranted.

Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people
wear
for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when
produced
by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow?
Scout

Scout - you are correct. To create an electric current, the
magnetic field must be changing. This is basic and
fundamental to Maxwell's equations and should have been known
to those posting permanent magnets creating electricity.

Electrons moving inside 'shells' of the atom are totally
irrelevant to electricity. Electricity means electrons move
from atom to atom. It means the conductive path is a complete
circuit. A permanent magnet has no moving field; therefore
creates no electricity. Motion is also necessary.

Furthermore note many half truths. Where are the numbers?
Yes the sun can vaporize anything. Therefore we must keep
everything out of the sun? Too much salt kills. Therefore
the salt shaker should be treated as a hazardous material.
This is how others promote hype and fear. No place do these
fears apply to high voltage power towers. You would think
from these posts that those high voltage towers subject the
human body to 5 Telsa.

In one cited study, 200 mGauss caused changes to cellular
growth. That proves fields from electric lines will harm
humans. Wait. That field is less than the earth's magnetic
field. Therefore we are all being killed by the earth? This
is the type of hype and fear being promoted.

Worry. Where the wire bends, then fields are so much
stronger? How much stronger? Trivial stronger. Again
numbers would expose the hype. And hype it is. Posted is
proof that all electric fields kill? Why do trivial fields
from power lines kill when significantly larger fields (a
decade+ larger) from the CRT do not?

In another citation, field exceed 1 gauss before considered
dangerous. So where is this 1 gauss field from the high
voltage distribution line? It must be if the line is 230 Kv?
Again, posted was fear without considering what actual numbers
would be from that power line.

So what is cited as dangerous? Because fields generated by
a building transformer might be hazardous, then high voltage
transmission lines also must be dangerous? Again, notice
which electric lines are discussed. Not those high voltage
transmission lines. Lower voltage, high current electric
wires inside the building. Again there is this problem with
hyping all electricity as dangerous only because very high
magnetic fields MIGHT be dangerous.

Ball park numbers. Long before the location is dangerous, a
CRT or TV would have display problems. Now we have something
concrete to consider. IOW we have a ballpark number AND some
way to measure for that number.

More interesting. What fields are really deadly? Magnetic
or Electric? I wonder if those hyping fear even know the
difference. But most shocking is some ridiculous idea that a
motionless magnet creates electricity.

Get the gauss meter. Take some measurements. Suddenly much
of the hype being promoted here by some will disappear.
Amazing what a few numbers can do to make so many previous
posts irrelevant or misleading.

Scout wrote:
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
A permanent magnet does have current flow.