Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid? The victims are waiting for US aid, What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

Donal, please enlighten me?

Ole Thom

I do not justify hypocrisy. I abhor hypocrisy. The institution is not
hypocritical, it is the people within who create the hypocrisy. The
majority of people who make up the institution, though, are not. They lead
silent lives dedicated to their belief system, built on faith, even though
there are wolves among them.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


You can hide behind misdirection. I said institutions have nothing
to do with the failing of individual humans as in hypocrisy. It
is you attempting to justify hypocrisy because hypocrites can
hide behind institutions. The fact is they can only hide from
people who wish to excuse their actions because they, themselves
are hypocrites. This is a liberal tactic which is used day in and
day out.

When I refer to the Catholic church I refer to the individual
members therein. I simply pointed out how individual Catholics
failed to stick to their roots and failed more miserably trying
to modernize. This is because the majority of Catholics are
hypocrites.

CN


"katysails" wrote in message
...
You can't make the statement that institutions have nothing to do with
human
hypocrisy and then and then refer to the institution of the Church as if
it
were an entity that makes its' own decisions....humans decide the fate of
the Church...the institution does not fail...it is the humans that fail
the
institution that corrupt...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message
...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people
that
hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the
good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the
people
who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got
dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as
with
most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will
still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK

No Canadian networks even mention USA aid.... they are concentrating on
Canadian Aid.
No British Networks, nor French, nor all of the EU give a tinker's damn
about how much aid is provided by the USA.......

What's lamentable, is the trite, self-effacing and fraudulent claims from
the US populace that your country is providing more than anyone else.

What is it with you people that you have to brag so often and so incessantly
about how great you all are..... ????? ...you a most certainly not
viewed in that light by the rest of the world!

Maybe it's a case of delusions of adequacy on your part?

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid? The victims are waiting for US aid, What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

Donal, please enlighten me?

Ole Thom

Overproof wrote:
No Canadian networks even mention USA aid.... they are concentrating
on
Canadian Aid.
No British Networks, nor French, nor all of the EU give a tinker's
damn
about how much aid is provided by the USA.......


Why lie Mr. Mooron? All the EU, the smelly frogs, and the Germans are
envious of the USA's ability.

I'm quite sure the frogs and the germs are telling its citizens we are
not doing enough. It's the French way.



What's lamentable, is the trite, self-effacing and fraudulent claims
from
the US populace that your country is providing more than anyone else.

What's lame & trite is Canada's military.



What is it with you people that you have to brag so often and so
incessantly
about how great you all are..... ?????

How come everyone one on earth calls us the only Superpower? Since we
are the superpower, every American is a superman, or woman. Get used to
it. We are not bragging, it is just a fact.



....you a most certainly not
viewed in that light by the rest of the world!

The views of the low un-superpowers is of no concern to us. We will
lead by example, please fall into the back of the line.


Maybe it's a case of delusions of adequacy on your part?


No sir, it's a case of jeliousy, pure and simple.


Capt. American




CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be
concentrating so
completely on US aid? The victims are waiting for US aid, What is
wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes
from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

Donal, please enlighten me?

Ole Thom

"Capt.American" wrote in message
Why lie Mr. Mooron? All the EU, the smelly frogs, and the Germans are
envious of the USA's ability.

It hurts don't it.... there you are dancing like a whirling dervish... and
nobody gives a damn!

I'm quite sure the frogs and the germs are telling its citizens we are
not doing enough. It's the French way.

Nope... they hardly ever mention the USA. They are much like Americans and
believe you are beneath their contempt.


What's lame & trite is Canada's military.

What do we need a military for?? Everybody else loves us and you guys can't
find us on a map.

How come everyone one on earth calls us the only Superpower? Since we
are the superpower, every American is a superman, or woman. Get used to
it. We are not bragging, it is just a fact.

Superpower... relative..... Super Stupid?.... well, you're buying our
cows again!

The views of the low un-superpowers is of no concern to us. We will
lead by example, please fall into the back of the line.

If the EU, Russia and China attacked you...... we'd help out by giving all
your soldiers a place to run and hide.

No sir, it's a case of jeliousy, pure and simple.

Sure it is..... all of the rest of us want to be as brainwashed as youse
guys!

CM

katysails wrote:
Doug,
In order for your first point to succeed, you ahve to have your second
point in place for development of conscience.

I disagree.

... When young children are being
raised, it is necessary that there be consequences for actions...good and
bad.

Agreed. But that can be reduced to simple behaviorism... mechanistically
reinforcing children to act in ways that are "good."

This is not the same thing as having (and following) a rational moral &
ethical code.


... Consequences can be equivocated to punishment at times if the
infraction is grave. Fear of negative consequence is a healthy thing. It
keeps us from becoming sociopathic.

The problem with this viewpoint is that it erases the difference between
a sociopath who is restrained by fear of punishment, and a person who
has no tendency towards sociopathy.

This sort of thinking is like those cops who believe that there's no
such thing as an honest citizen. Do you believe this is right & good?!?
I find it hard to believe that you do...

DSK

katysails wrote:
people=institutions

Yep. Any time more than two people get together, you have politics.

... unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people who
hide within them commit...

Because hiding behind istitutions is a good way of avoiding
consequences... ties in rather neatly with earlier post...

But to a large extent, it's human nature.

DSK

You're south and east of Alaska right?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JWCd.30$L_6.3@edtnps91...

"Capt.American" wrote in message
Why lie Mr. Mooron? All the EU, the smelly frogs, and the Germans are
envious of the USA's ability.

It hurts don't it.... there you are dancing like a whirling dervish...
and nobody gives a damn!

I'm quite sure the frogs and the germs are telling its citizens we are
not doing enough. It's the French way.

Nope... they hardly ever mention the USA. They are much like Americans
and believe you are beneath their contempt.


What's lame & trite is Canada's military.

What do we need a military for?? Everybody else loves us and you guys
can't find us on a map.

How come everyone one on earth calls us the only Superpower? Since we
are the superpower, every American is a superman, or woman. Get used to
it. We are not bragging, it is just a fact.

Superpower... relative..... Super Stupid?.... well, you're buying our
cows again!

The views of the low un-superpowers is of no concern to us. We will
lead by example, please fall into the back of the line.

If the EU, Russia and China attacked you...... we'd help out by giving
all your soldiers a place to run and hide.

No sir, it's a case of jeliousy, pure and simple.

Sure it is..... all of the rest of us want to be as brainwashed as youse
guys!

CM

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid?

I don't know why you think this. As far as I can see, the world is not
concentrating on US AID.

Perhaps your TV stations are placing undue emphasis US aid????



The victims are waiting for US aid,

No, they are not. They are waiting for drinking water and food.

What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

They are delivering aid. They are delivering much more than the US. You
should complain to your TV stations for misleading you.



Donal, please enlighten me?

I think that your TV news is concentrating on US aid.


Regards


Donal
--




Ole Thom

And the BBC is so fair and balanced and accurate.

I hear they are going to hire Dan Rather.

Bwaahahahahhahahaahha!

CN


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid?

I don't know why you think this. As far as I can see, the world is not
concentrating on US AID.

Perhaps your TV stations are placing undue emphasis US aid????



The victims are waiting for US aid,

No, they are not. They are waiting for drinking water and food.

What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

They are delivering aid. They are delivering much more than the US. You
should complain to your TV stations for misleading you.



Donal, please enlighten me?

I think that your TV news is concentrating on US aid.


Regards


Donal
--




Ole Thom