Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with
most churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK

Doug,
In order for your first point to succeed, you ahve to have your second
point in place for development of conscience. When young children are being
raised, it is necessary that there be consequences for actions...good and
bad. Consequences can be equivocated to punishment at times if the
infraction is grave. Fear of negative consequence is a healthy thing. It
keeps us from becoming sociopathic.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is
due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag
about.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Huh? You must be catholic.


Which type of ethical principle is better:

1- To do the right thing(s) because they are right

2- To do the right thing(s), or at least to avoid doing wrong, because one
is afraid of being caught & punished

???

I may be kind of old fashioned but it seems to me that 1 is superior.

This of course avoids the question of how one determines what is right and
wrong, which is a whole 'nuther debate. Churches tend to discourage any
attempt to seriously examine either of these questions.... or all
questions entirely, which is why the Catholics booted me out ;)

DSK

people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message ...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote ;

So, what you're saying is that we shouldn't even try. That's what Scotti
Potti and Joe said.

It seems to me that they might be wise beyond their years!

Tell me again why Sri Lanka refused millions of dollars worth of help
immediately after the disaster? Couldn't be because they are Muslims
serving a god that no Christian has ever heard of?

I tried to tell you yesterday that you were wrong. I see that Edgar has now
given you proof that you were wrong.

Have you changed your opinion? ... or are you going to find another excuse
to ignore these unfortunate people.

BTW, the Buddists of Sri Lanka are the most tolerant people that I have ever
met. At the end of my holiday there, I asked someone why they were always
so pleasant. He told me that a Sri Lankan would never upset anyone if a
"small lie" could make them happy. It isn't a very Christian attitude, but
I have total respect for them.

The Sri Lankans are a lovely, friendly helpful people. If you had ever
visited the country, then you wouldn't be able to spout such nonsense.



Regards


Donal
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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote:

Scotty and Joe should be ashamed of their posts. The plight of this
poor
woman, and thousands of others, bears no relation whatever to that of
people

What an igornorant post! When they refuse help minutes after the
disaster,
what can one do?

Do you now realise that you are ignorant of the facts?

They didn't refuse help. They said that they didn't have the facilities to
deal with more "helpers".

Perhaps you should sue your local news broadcaster for feeding your ignorant
predjudices.




Regards


Donal
--

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote:
The USA certainly has the resources. Sadly, it seems that the US is
giving
less per capita than many poorer countries.

Hahahaaaa!

The Jews in Israel were the first in line to help the Muslims that are
trying to kill them (I know this personally)... they refused their 150 man
team and resources to help them. They would rather their people die than
have some help keeping their ilk alive...

Are you ready to back up this silly claim?




What does this say about those countries that have suffered the Tsumami?

I don't know. Perhaps you would tell us? Do you think that all the
Buddists should be allowed to die because you misunderstood a news report?


Regards


Donal
--

You can't make the statement that institutions have nothing to do with human
hypocrisy and then and then refer to the institution of the Church as if it
were an entity that makes its' own decisions....humans decide the fate of
the Church...the institution does not fail...it is the humans that fail the
institution that corrupt...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message
...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that
hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people
who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got
dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with
most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK

You can hide behind misdirection. I said institutions have nothing
to do with the failing of individual humans as in hypocrisy. It
is you attempting to justify hypocrisy because hypocrites can
hide behind institutions. The fact is they can only hide from
people who wish to excuse their actions because they, themselves
are hypocrites. This is a liberal tactic which is used day in and
day out.

When I refer to the Catholic church I refer to the individual
members therein. I simply pointed out how individual Catholics
failed to stick to their roots and failed more miserably trying
to modernize. This is because the majority of Catholics are
hypocrites.

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...
You can't make the statement that institutions have nothing to do with human
hypocrisy and then and then refer to the institution of the Church as if it
were an entity that makes its' own decisions....humans decide the fate of
the Church...the institution does not fail...it is the humans that fail the
institution that corrupt...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message
...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that
hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people
who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got
dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with
most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK

I can't wait till LP has the time to post a reply and put you
in your place. Liberals always fail when confronted by
conservative principles and LP is an intelligent conservative.

You have no chance against her and if you should happen to
trick her with some liberal ruse, I will come to her aid because
there is not a liberal alive I cannot defeat with the truth combined
with logic.

CN


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:uN8Cd.32282$F25.8961@okepread07...

"Donal" wrote:
The USA certainly has the resources. Sadly, it seems that the US is
giving
less per capita than many poorer countries.

Hahahaaaa!

The Jews in Israel were the first in line to help the Muslims that are
trying to kill them (I know this personally)... they refused their 150 man
team and resources to help them. They would rather their people die than
have some help keeping their ilk alive...

Are you ready to back up this silly claim?




What does this say about those countries that have suffered the Tsumami?

I don't know. Perhaps you would tell us? Do you think that all the
Buddists should be allowed to die because you misunderstood a news report?


Regards


Donal
--