"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.

Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.

The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?

Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.

Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.

The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?

Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

It took more time for you to write that then you sailed all year...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by
sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's
like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves
and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and
you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.

Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of
broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves
while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is
a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.

The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?

Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on
its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is
either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing
vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

Seasonal Affective Disorder got you down?

I am going sailing Christmas day. Are You?

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...
It took more time for you to write that then you sailed all year...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by
sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's
like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves
and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and
you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.

Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of
broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves
while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is
a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.

The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?

Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on
its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is
either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing
vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

I'll be sailing offshore I hope. You?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Seasonal Affective Disorder got you down?

I am going sailing Christmas day. Are You?

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...

It took more time for you to write that then you sailed all year...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message
thlink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message


Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by
sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's
like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves
and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and
you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.


Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of
broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves
while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is
a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.


The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?


Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on
its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is
either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing
vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

Depends on the weather were I go.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...
I'll be sailing offshore I hope. You?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Seasonal Affective Disorder got you down?

I am going sailing Christmas day. Are You?

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...

It took more time for you to write that then you sailed all year...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message
thlink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message


Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by
sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's
like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting waves
and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and
you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.


Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of
broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves
while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal is
a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.


The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?


Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over on
its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is
either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing
vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

Nope...I'm gonna have fun with my granddaughters....I'm going to watch them
open presents and have a good time and be very thankful that they are
alive....My Christmas will be much better than yours.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Seasonal Affective Disorder got you down?

I am going sailing Christmas day. Are You?

CN


"katysails" wrote in message
...
It took more time for you to write that then you sailed all year...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of
a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by
sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's
like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds
of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting
waves
and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea
is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel
from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and
you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.

Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting
to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of
broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves
while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal
is
a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.

The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?

Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over
on
its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is
either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing
vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

Yes, Grandma! Bwahahahhahahhahahahhah!

Give them a hug for me. I don't have any
children or grandchildren with whom to
enjoy Christmas. Bah, humbug!

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...
Nope...I'm gonna have fun with my granddaughters....I'm going to watch them
open presents and have a good time and be very thankful that they are
alive....My Christmas will be much better than yours.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Seasonal Affective Disorder got you down?

I am going sailing Christmas day. Are You?

CN


"katysails" wrote in message
...
It took more time for you to write that then you sailed all year...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it? I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach. Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy. You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

CN

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Not so! Those huge waves have little effect upon a small
yacht under a reasonable press of sail to keep her stable.

This statement clearly demonstrates that you've never been in much of
a
seaway in a small vessel, despite what you claim. Roll, controlled by
sail
pressure, has very little to do with it. Pitch is the problem. It's
like
riding a roller coaster--if one isn't belted in to a coaster, the odds
of
flying out of the car are good. Same with a small vessel cresting
waves
and
then plummeting into the trough of steep, tall waves. And if the sea
is
confused, no amount of wind pressure on the sails will stop a vessel
from
rolling violently as well. Add that to the roller coaster effect and
you've
got your basic Maytag dryer set on high.

Of course, in those conditions, the yacht will be sailing
off the wind so the period of the waves becomes longer.

The vessel will be sailing off the wind only if she is not attempting
to
claw off and away from a lee shore. Of course then the issue of
broaching
comes to the fore. Most yachts do best when running with steep waves
while
towing lines or a sea anchor. Screaming into a trough on the diagonal
is
a
quick and dirty recipe for a broach.

The properly sailed small yacht will only be bothered
but the breakers atop those huge waves.

LOL. You really haven't been there, have you?

Those breakers
tend to slosh green water into the cockpit, I have found.
One must always keep the washboard in and battened
down.


Those idiot motorvessels seem to be pounding straight
into the waves which seems stupid to me. Why don't they
fall off a bit and take the waves diagonally. They would
have a smoother ride and might even be able to make
some headway.

Primarily because steeply-pitched waves can roll a planing craft over
on
its
beam ends just after cresting a steep wave, especially if the boat is
either
relatively short in length or narrow of beam though longer. Of course
running with the sea or heading into it can pitchpole a small planing
vessel
as well. Frankly big, steep waves are no place to be in a smallish
powerboat.

Max

"Capt. Neal®" wrote:
Yes, Grandma! Bwahahahhahahhahahahhah!

Give them a hug for me. I don't have any
children or grandchildren with whom to
enjoy Christmas. Bah, humbug!

Not until now, at least... ;-)

LP

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

I've got more time in the Gulf Stream than you have
in your boat. Anyone familiar with the Gulf Stream
knows full well that the seas there grow to stupendous
proportions when the wind is against the current.

I doubt that you've spent ANY time in the GS. Moreoever, I doubt if you
ever get off the fricking mooring, other than to pump out. Otherwise you'd
not have made the ridiculous statements you posted. As for time in my boat,
almost anyone has more time than I. I work for a living, and I've only had
the boat 4 years.

I've sailed in waves as large as those shown in some
of those pictures and had no trouble controlling my
yacht. It's all about a balanced sail plan and the
proper square footage of sail for the wind conditions.

Again I doubt the veracity of your claims.

Your statements prove to me that you NEVER have
sailed in large seas because if you had you would
know that most of the hype about them is just hype.

Who said anything about the hype? I simply said you've never sailed in the
big stuff.

You would also know that the ride in a small, properly
sailed yacht in the 27-30 foot range is very much more
comfortable than the motion on larger motor vessels
that pitch, roll and yaw in an almost uncontrollable
manner.

I thought I already said that. Guess you just respond, rather than read
other's posts. Nothing new there.

Pitching in a small vessel such as mine is worse in a
heavy chop in shallow water than it is in large seas
the period of which is long enough that pitching is
barely noticed. In heavy winds and seas I do not
attempt to go to weather. I'm not stupid so I go
off the wind enough to make things as comfortable as
possible.

Which is the prudent thing to do.


Screaming into the trough is stupid and unnecessary.
Why do you do it?

Who said I do? Not I. I simply pointed out that some of the things you've
claimed to do are not particularly good for one's health, or that of one's
vessel.

I do not. It is easy to sail across
the wind so the trough comes at your vessel at an
oblique enough angle to eliminate the danger of a
broach.

If the waves are steep enough and tall enough, there is no such thing as
being at an oblique-enough angle to avoid a broach.

Another thing, again, is that balanced sail
plan. Any time I see a monohull sloop attempting to
sail under mainsail alone like the photo that was
posted I quickly understand that the skipper of that
vessel has forgotten how to balance the helm no
matter how great a reputation he or his vessel
might enjoy.

Once again you make a statement that shows ignorance of the facts. Some
sloops are actually designed to sail well under main alone. Mine, for
example. It's in the literature that accompanied the boat. Depending upon
wind speed (read: high velocity) and current, sailing under main alone is
not only well-balanced, it's better balanced than when flying even a hanky
of a jib. That Coronado of yous isn't the only boat afloat, Herr Kapitan.

You cannot possibly look at a picture
of a vessel being tossed sideways because it
cannot be sailed because of an unbalanced
sail plan and conclude anything other than the
captain and crew is either not paying attention
or they are just plain lazy and inept.

At least I'm intelligent enough to know that I don't have anywhere near the
facts necessary to draw any such sort of conclusions w/r/t to that boat or
the skipper and crew. You, OTOH, just plunge right in and make a fool of
yourself.

Those are the facts. I could care less if you
agree with them or not. You are an amateur compared
to me. Anybody who uses Maxprop for a name is no
sailor.

Oh really? I think anyone who uses the moniker "Capt. Neal" isn't even a
real person. But that's another issue. One man's facts are another man's
humor. That's certainly the case in this example. You look more foolish
with each passing paragraph.


Go motor up and down the Intracoastal with Mr. King
and the other trawler sailors.

Okay, Capt. Neal, or whomever you are. But count on me (and others) to call
you on your ignorance whenever it shows up here.

(Giving your identity a bit more thought, you must be Bobsprit. Your
tendency to chest-thump, brag, and pass faulty info is almost pathognomonic
of the Bubbles syndrome. And since you've been back, he's been absent.)

Max