Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"

You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term".

Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ?

No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline,
etc..


Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the
service myself.

Your arguing the use of a term for no reason. Industry/trade, call it what you
want.
It is NOT however, a branch of the service.



And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators "
licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my
Masters.

So did a lot of people, so what?



You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you
can still set for an ocean operator dufass.

And your point is, when discussing the term Master Mariner? I haven't seen the
term used too frequently as of late. If it is, big deal, so what.


BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have
never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht
Club.

I'll try one last time.
The USCG has no say in what or who is a Master Mariner. They just issue
licenses.
If you don't think the USMM uses the term "Master Mariner" then there's a good
chance you are not in the USMM.
Since you don't believe me, feel free to find some unlimited Master and ask
him/her about the term.

If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license
has
something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed.


No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a
300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do
with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner.

The time required can, and usually is, much greater. The fact the you have the
time in at sea to get an unlimited Master license and get it, says that you've
spent a good deal of time and training on ships.
BUT, it doesn't mean you will ever sail in that capacity and most won't. The
Term Master Mariner is reserved for those that have.


I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed
with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel
right?.

Nope I prefer jeans.

Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe.

Well, since you couldn't use it anyway to describe yourself, you can call it
whatever you like.


Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the
term Master
Mariner.

They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made
up title used by wannabee's like YOU!

Joe

Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask them about
the term.

CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master


Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New Year?

A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A Master
Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and has sailed in that
capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now, stop and re-read this, then
think about what it says before you attempt to engage what few brain cells you
may have for reading comprehension.

B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters" are in
the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a clue as to the
term "Master Mariner".

C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with and ask
THEM.

D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb to listen
or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at the nonsense some
people write.

Capt.

Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav?



CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe"


CaptMMA wrote:


Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself
than you
have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask
them about
the term.

Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the
licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up
lubbers term you embraced.

Joe
USMM Master


Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New
Year?

A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A
Master Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and
has sailed in that capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now,
stop and re-read this, then think about what it says before you
attempt to engage what few brain cells you may have for reading
comprehension.

B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters"
are in the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a
clue as to the term "Master Mariner".

C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with
and ask THEM.

D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb
to listen or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at
the nonsense some people write.

Capt.

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bell"
Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav?


I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her.
I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps in on
the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should know
better.
Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that
amazing.

"CaptMMA" wrote in message
...
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bell"
Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav?


I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her.
I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps
in on
the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should
know
better.
Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.

Why's that?

ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are
using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition
implies.

Shen

STOW IT, MISTER!

Master mariner is a title best assumed by those who qualify for it.

If I wish to call myself a master mariner then I shall and it's nobody else's
dadblamed business. No matter the criterion, whether it be time at sea, knowledge
of the sea, knowledge of the COLREGS, or expertise in single-handed sailing,
I have as much or more knowledge than any other individual on the planet.


CN, Master Mariner (if ya don't like it, shove it!)


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA)


snip

Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find
that
amazing.


You shouldn't.
The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are
using, written down anywhere.
While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small
community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition
implies.

Shen

Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Capt MMA