Nav,

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I've been posting here since before Neal bothered to get a system capable of
posting, and I will be here long after he leaves permenantly, hopefully
sooner rather than later, but either way. While I appreciate your interest,
it seems to me that your comments should be directed toward those who
continually make themselves into buffoons. No, I'm not immune to this, and
will certainly consider this for future posts.

I cannot control what others think of me. I haven't changed my positions,
and I don't lie nor steal. That cannot be said of others. A couple of these
people, Neal included, have been so far out of the mainstream with their
posts and other activities, that their ISPs shut them down for a time. Neal,
specifically, has wasted people's time and money in his childish attempt to
intimidate me, to shut me up. It hasn't work, and will never work.

Actually, I've not been that "upset" by the barbs. There's mostly nothing
new in them. Clearly, Neal is quite upset. Others, such as Katy, directed
their anger at me, when they know or should know that I was not the one to
blame. Clearly, they're upset, but again, there's not much I can do about
it.

As to taking a break from posting, I've taken many breaks. But, people like
Neal continue their ridiculous behavior break or not. One thing I will not
do is shut up when faced with the language they use. This newsgroup is not
my whole life, unlike Neal, who has no life, which is obvious. I find it to
be an interesting forum, occasionally learn something new, occasionally
contribute something useful, and enjoy the give and take. Some of the people
are outstanding, including some I've met and some I hope to meet someday.

Jonathan

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Dear Jonathan

I know you can post pretty much what you like but I wish you would review
your posts of late and reflect on how you appear to others. I know that
you have been upset by the barbs of some, but a man can take such weak
arrows and laugh as yet more fly at his back. I therefore entreat you to
stop posting for a day or two, gather your thoughts and pick fights you
can win with style. Just reducing all interaction to the same set of
replies just bores everyone, reduces their opinion of you as a person and
does you, personally, no good either.

Cheers MC

Yes Jon... keep believing it's all everyone else's fault!

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nav,

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I've been posting here since before Neal bothered to get a system capable
of posting, and I will be here long after he leaves permenantly, hopefully
sooner rather than later, but either way. While I appreciate your
interest, it seems to me that your comments should be directed toward
those who continually make themselves into buffoons. No, I'm not immune to
this, and will certainly consider this for future posts.

I cannot control what others think of me. I haven't changed my positions,
and I don't lie nor steal. That cannot be said of others. A couple of
these people, Neal included, have been so far out of the mainstream with
their posts and other activities, that their ISPs shut them down for a
time. Neal, specifically, has wasted people's time and money in his
childish attempt to intimidate me, to shut me up. It hasn't work, and will
never work.

Actually, I've not been that "upset" by the barbs. There's mostly nothing
new in them. Clearly, Neal is quite upset. Others, such as Katy, directed
their anger at me, when they know or should know that I was not the one to
blame. Clearly, they're upset, but again, there's not much I can do about
it.

As to taking a break from posting, I've taken many breaks. But, people
like Neal continue their ridiculous behavior break or not. One thing I
will not do is shut up when faced with the language they use. This
newsgroup is not my whole life, unlike Neal, who has no life, which is
obvious. I find it to be an interesting forum, occasionally learn
something new, occasionally contribute something useful, and enjoy the
give and take. Some of the people are outstanding, including some I've met
and some I hope to meet someday.

Jonathan

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Dear Jonathan

I know you can post pretty much what you like but I wish you would review
your posts of late and reflect on how you appear to others. I know that
you have been upset by the barbs of some, but a man can take such weak
arrows and laugh as yet more fly at his back. I therefore entreat you to
stop posting for a day or two, gather your thoughts and pick fights you
can win with style. Just reducing all interaction to the same set of
replies just bores everyone, reduces their opinion of you as a person and
does you, personally, no good either.

Cheers MC

Like I said, the boy needs therapy. The sooner he gets
it, the better chance he might have at returning to some
semblance of normal behavior.

Personally, I think it's too late for him. I have noticed
a rapid decline in his posts since I was posting here close
to a year ago. He really does demonstrate Tourettes like
symptoms.

CN


"Overproof" wrote in message news:6APsd.323373$9b.109349@edtnps84...
Yes Jon... keep believing it's all everyone else's fault!

CM

Like I said, you're an asshole.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Like I said, the boy needs therapy. The sooner he gets
it, the better chance he might have at returning to some
semblance of normal behavior.

Personally, I think it's too late for him. I have noticed
a rapid decline in his posts since I was posting here close
to a year ago. He really does demonstrate Tourettes like
symptoms.

CN


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:6APsd.323373$9b.109349@edtnps84...
Yes Jon... keep believing it's all everyone else's fault!

CM

Everyone's? Who said that?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:6APsd.323373$9b.109349@edtnps84...
Yes Jon... keep believing it's all everyone else's fault!

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nav,

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I've been posting here since before Neal bothered to get a system capable
of posting, and I will be here long after he leaves permenantly,
hopefully sooner rather than later, but either way. While I appreciate
your interest, it seems to me that your comments should be directed
toward those who continually make themselves into buffoons. No, I'm not
immune to this, and will certainly consider this for future posts.

I cannot control what others think of me. I haven't changed my positions,
and I don't lie nor steal. That cannot be said of others. A couple of
these people, Neal included, have been so far out of the mainstream with
their posts and other activities, that their ISPs shut them down for a
time. Neal, specifically, has wasted people's time and money in his
childish attempt to intimidate me, to shut me up. It hasn't work, and
will never work.

Actually, I've not been that "upset" by the barbs. There's mostly nothing
new in them. Clearly, Neal is quite upset. Others, such as Katy, directed
their anger at me, when they know or should know that I was not the one
to blame. Clearly, they're upset, but again, there's not much I can do
about it.

As to taking a break from posting, I've taken many breaks. But, people
like Neal continue their ridiculous behavior break or not. One thing I
will not do is shut up when faced with the language they use. This
newsgroup is not my whole life, unlike Neal, who has no life, which is
obvious. I find it to be an interesting forum, occasionally learn
something new, occasionally contribute something useful, and enjoy the
give and take. Some of the people are outstanding, including some I've
met and some I hope to meet someday.

Jonathan

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Dear Jonathan

I know you can post pretty much what you like but I wish you would
review your posts of late and reflect on how you appear to others. I
know that you have been upset by the barbs of some, but a man can take
such weak arrows and laugh as yet more fly at his back. I therefore
entreat you to stop posting for a day or two, gather your thoughts and
pick fights you can win with style. Just reducing all interaction to the
same set of replies just bores everyone, reduces their opinion of you as
a person and does you, personally, no good either.

Cheers MC

Jonathan,

You are either doing a very convincing job of impersonating someone with
serious problem, or you really do have a serious problem. You need to do
more than just take a few days off. You need to do some serious
introspection. The problem with people who have disorders is that they just
don't recognize it. They have no internal correction mechanism.
Introspection may not work for you. You are definitely denying the traits
you have. You are actually worse than the thing you are supposedly
attacking. You've made yourself lower than the "evil" you supposedly abhor.

Worst yet is that you are literally consumed by this. For you it's not fun,
it's some type of maniacally driven behavior. All different types of people
are telling you this, over and over. Who would ever sail with such a madman?

People tell you this out of disgust, some tell you this in hopes you would
go away. A few tell you this because they actually care for you. It's the
ones that care that matters. Please, please find someone to help you work
this all out. I will pray for you. Amen.

Bob Crantz

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nav,

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I've been posting here since before Neal bothered to get a system capable
of
posting, and I will be here long after he leaves permenantly, hopefully
sooner rather than later, but either way. While I appreciate your
interest,
it seems to me that your comments should be directed toward those who
continually make themselves into buffoons. No, I'm not immune to this, and
will certainly consider this for future posts.

I cannot control what others think of me. I haven't changed my positions,
and I don't lie nor steal. That cannot be said of others. A couple of
these
people, Neal included, have been so far out of the mainstream with their
posts and other activities, that their ISPs shut them down for a time.
Neal,
specifically, has wasted people's time and money in his childish attempt
to
intimidate me, to shut me up. It hasn't work, and will never work.

Actually, I've not been that "upset" by the barbs. There's mostly nothing
new in them. Clearly, Neal is quite upset. Others, such as Katy, directed
their anger at me, when they know or should know that I was not the one to
blame. Clearly, they're upset, but again, there's not much I can do about
it.

As to taking a break from posting, I've taken many breaks. But, people
like
Neal continue their ridiculous behavior break or not. One thing I will not
do is shut up when faced with the language they use. This newsgroup is not
my whole life, unlike Neal, who has no life, which is obvious. I find it
to
be an interesting forum, occasionally learn something new, occasionally
contribute something useful, and enjoy the give and take. Some of the
people
are outstanding, including some I've met and some I hope to meet someday.

Jonathan

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Dear Jonathan

I know you can post pretty much what you like but I wish you would
review
your posts of late and reflect on how you appear to others. I know that
you have been upset by the barbs of some, but a man can take such weak
arrows and laugh as yet more fly at his back. I therefore entreat you to
stop posting for a day or two, gather your thoughts and pick fights you
can win with style. Just reducing all interaction to the same set of
replies just bores everyone, reduces their opinion of you as a person
and
does you, personally, no good either.

Cheers MC

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:18:09 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:


I cannot control what others think of me. I haven't changed my positions,
and I don't lie nor steal.


But you do change people's words, which is the same thing.


Some of the people
are outstanding, including some I've met and some I hope to meet someday.


Not in any of your wet dreams, Jon-boy.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Not at all. It's blatantly obvious that you've done the same thing. I'm not
hiding about it. Neal, on the other hand, lies to deceive himself not to
deceive anyone else.

And, then the next sentence out of your brain is to start your gay thing...
pretty typical of someone who has no standing with himself.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:18:09 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:


I cannot control what others think of me. I haven't changed my positions,
and I don't lie nor steal.


But you do change people's words, which is the same thing.


Some of the people
are outstanding, including some I've met and some I hope to meet someday.


Not in any of your wet dreams, Jon-boy.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!