High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and
works like a charm.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders',
by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt
on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct,
technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84...
Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades....
worn and
tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4"
bolt
hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100
to 125
lbs.

Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any
given time.

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would
be
the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs..
I
doubt you're using 15 of these.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89...
Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D

Couple of questions...

"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message
...
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it
in 3
years,
figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter
and
better
holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links
with
diving
periodically and all was well.

That's a proper maintainence schedule.
You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to
the
mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain
lenght was
1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel
shackles
on each
end?


After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top
shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it
pulled.
Yard
guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on
it
yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off
to
shore.

Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk)".....


The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the
swivel is
fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has
rusted,
and
that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot
sailboat
to
powder
unable to hold itself in 3 weeks.

Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel
between your
chain and the mushroom anchor?

When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section
of
heavier
section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main
mooring
chain to the mooring ball?

What are you using for chain?

Is this possible ?

Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the
yard
guy
trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and
have
placed
moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to
first
question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a
chance. Wire
brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that
looks
deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for
insurance
purposes.

I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to
go
with 15
grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded
bar
[1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1
inch
dia. PVC
spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades.
You end up
with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and
mud
due to
it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades
under
lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened
by
shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single
swivel
shackle
which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball.

Hopes that helps.....

Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring"

[Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with
Distaste"]

I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these
chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye
splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles
to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain.

I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they
look like they need it or not.

CN
I invite you to join the discussion at:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

"Overproof" wrote in message news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84...
High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and
works like a charm.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders',
by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt
on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct,
technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84...
Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades....
worn and
tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4"
bolt
hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100
to 125
lbs.

Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any
given time.

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would
be
the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs..
I
doubt you're using 15 of these.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89...
Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D

Couple of questions...

"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message
...
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it
in 3
years,
figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter
and
better
holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links
with
diving
periodically and all was well.

That's a proper maintainence schedule.
You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to
the
mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain
lenght was
1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel
shackles
on each
end?


After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top
shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it
pulled.
Yard
guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on
it
yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off
to
shore.

Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk)".....


The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the
swivel is
fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has
rusted,
and
that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot
sailboat
to
powder
unable to hold itself in 3 weeks.

Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel
between your
chain and the mushroom anchor?

When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section
of
heavier
section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main
mooring
chain to the mooring ball?

What are you using for chain?

Is this possible ?

Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the
yard
guy
trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and
have
placed
moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to
first
question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a
chance. Wire
brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that
looks
deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for
insurance
purposes.

I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to
go
with 15
grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded
bar
[1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1
inch
dia. PVC
spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades.
You end up
with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and
mud
due to
it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades
under
lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened
by
shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single
swivel
shackle
which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball.

Hopes that helps.....

Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring"

[Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with
Distaste"]

As long as you are prepared to replace it at those intervals and carry out
periodical inspections... I can't see a problem.

I set moorings for an estimated 10 year life span..... Materials are
supplied by the client and I charge labour in Alcohol payment only. 4 flats
of beer and 2 bottles of OP Lambs Navy!
All 26 moorings in Yellowknife and 6 here are holding steady and secure....
some are over 15 years old.

I've had a 110 foot loaded barge snag and tie to my mooring in Yellowknife
in a major gale as it was drifting to shore. Stopped it dead in the water.
He went through the mooring field and tried the same on 4 other moorings ...
which snapped under the load. Mine held.... easily

I had major orders for moorings the following spring break-up.

CM



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these
chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye
splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles
to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain.

I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they
look like they need it or not.

CN
I invite you to join the discussion at:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84...
High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy
and
works like a charm.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders',
by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt
on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct,
technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84...
Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades....
worn and
tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4"
bolt
hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100
to 125
lbs.

Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any
given time.

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would
be
the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs..
I
doubt you're using 15 of these.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89...
Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D

Couple of questions...

"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message
...
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it
in 3
years,
figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter
and
better
holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links
with
diving
periodically and all was well.

That's a proper maintainence schedule.
You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to
the
mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain
lenght was
1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel
shackles
on each
end?


After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top
shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it
pulled.
Yard
guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on
it
yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off
to
shore.

Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk)".....


The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the
swivel is
fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has
rusted,
and
that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot
sailboat
to
powder
unable to hold itself in 3 weeks.

Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel
between your
chain and the mushroom anchor?

When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section
of
heavier
section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main
mooring
chain to the mooring ball?

What are you using for chain?

Is this possible ?

Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the
yard
guy
trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and
have
placed
moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to
first
question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a
chance. Wire
brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that
looks
deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for
insurance
purposes.

I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to
go
with 15
grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded
bar
[1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1
inch
dia. PVC
spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades.
You end up
with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and
mud
due to
it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades
under
lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened
by
shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single
swivel
shackle
which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball.

Hopes that helps.....

Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring"

[Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with
Distaste"]

A good, secure mooring is a thing of beauty. You are providing
a valuable service providing them. All these fools who think
being tied to a dock is anything but lubberly are not sailors
enough to appreciate the inherent safety of a good mooring.

A tip of the Captains hat to you.

CN


"Overproof" wrote in message news:2EIsd.316638$9b.305441@edtnps84...
As long as you are prepared to replace it at those intervals and carry out
periodical inspections... I can't see a problem.

I set moorings for an estimated 10 year life span..... Materials are
supplied by the client and I charge labour in Alcohol payment only. 4 flats
of beer and 2 bottles of OP Lambs Navy!
All 26 moorings in Yellowknife and 6 here are holding steady and secure....
some are over 15 years old.

I've had a 110 foot loaded barge snag and tie to my mooring in Yellowknife
in a major gale as it was drifting to shore. Stopped it dead in the water.
He went through the mooring field and tried the same on 4 other moorings ...
which snapped under the load. Mine held.... easily

I had major orders for moorings the following spring break-up.

CM



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these
chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye
splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles
to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain.

I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they
look like they need it or not.

CN
I invite you to join the discussion at:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84...
High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy
and
works like a charm.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders',
by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt
on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct,
technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84...
Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades....
worn and
tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4"
bolt
hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100
to 125
lbs.

Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any
given time.

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would
be
the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs..
I
doubt you're using 15 of these.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89...
Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D

Couple of questions...

"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message
...
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it
in 3
years,
figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter
and
better
holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links
with
diving
periodically and all was well.

That's a proper maintainence schedule.
You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to
the
mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain
lenght was
1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel
shackles
on each
end?


After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top
shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it
pulled.
Yard
guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on
it
yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off
to
shore.

Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk)".....


The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the
swivel is
fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has
rusted,
and
that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot
sailboat
to
powder
unable to hold itself in 3 weeks.

Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel
between your
chain and the mushroom anchor?

When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section
of
heavier
section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main
mooring
chain to the mooring ball?

What are you using for chain?

Is this possible ?

Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the
yard
guy
trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and
have
placed
moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to
first
question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a
chance. Wire
brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that
looks
deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for
insurance
purposes.

I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to
go
with 15
grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded
bar
[1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1
inch
dia. PVC
spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades.
You end up
with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and
mud
due to
it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades
under
lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened
by
shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single
swivel
shackle
which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball.

Hopes that helps.....

Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring"

[Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with
Distaste"]

Thank You...

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
A good, secure mooring is a thing of beauty. You are providing
a valuable service providing them. All these fools who think
being tied to a dock is anything but lubberly are not sailors
enough to appreciate the inherent safety of a good mooring.

A tip of the Captains hat to you.

CN


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:2EIsd.316638$9b.305441@edtnps84...
As long as you are prepared to replace it at those intervals and carry
out
periodical inspections... I can't see a problem.

I set moorings for an estimated 10 year life span..... Materials are
supplied by the client and I charge labour in Alcohol payment only. 4
flats
of beer and 2 bottles of OP Lambs Navy!
All 26 moorings in Yellowknife and 6 here are holding steady and
secure....
some are over 15 years old.

I've had a 110 foot loaded barge snag and tie to my mooring in
Yellowknife
in a major gale as it was drifting to shore. Stopped it dead in the
water.
He went through the mooring field and tried the same on 4 other moorings
...
which snapped under the load. Mine held.... easily

I had major orders for moorings the following spring break-up.

CM



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these
chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye
splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles
to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain.

I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they
look like they need it or not.

CN
I invite you to join the discussion at:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84...
High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting...
sturdy
and
works like a charm.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor
graders',
by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the
bolt
on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct,
technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84...
Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades....
worn and
tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a
3/4"
bolt
hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100
to 125
lbs.

Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any
given time.

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would
be
the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs..
I
doubt you're using 15 of these.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Overproof" wrote in message
news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89...
Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D

Couple of questions...

"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message
...
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it
in 3
years,
figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter
and
better
holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links
with
diving
periodically and all was well.

That's a proper maintainence schedule.
You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle
to
the
mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain
lenght was
1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel
shackles
on each
end?


After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top
shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it
pulled.
Yard
guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check
on
it
yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off
to
shore.

Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle
was
sliding into the ball,(junk)".....


The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of
the
swivel is
fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain
has
rusted,
and
that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot
sailboat
to
powder
unable to hold itself in 3 weeks.

Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel
between your
chain and the mushroom anchor?

When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate
section
of
heavier
section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main
mooring
chain to the mooring ball?

What are you using for chain?

Is this possible ?

Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the
yard
guy
trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and
have
placed
moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer
to
first
question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a
chance. Wire
brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that
looks
deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for
insurance
purposes.

I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like
to
go
with 15
grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded
bar
[1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1
inch
dia. PVC
spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader
blades.
You end up
with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and
mud
due to
it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades
under
lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure,
fastened
by
shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single
swivel
shackle
which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball.

Hopes that helps.....

Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring"

[Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with
Distaste"]

Er-r-r-r.... Ozone... he didn't say a tip of the "Gold braided, Scarlet
Satin Lined, Gay, Greek Fisherman's Cap!!

CM

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:46:18 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


A tip of the Captains hat to you.

CN


Seee Mooron.....he's got one too!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Mine is a baseball cap with scrambled egg looking stuff
on the bill and it says "Captain" on the front.

CN


"Overproof" wrote in message news:K1Lsd.238052$df2.23742@edtnps89...
Er-r-r-r.... Ozone... he didn't say a tip of the "Gold braided, Scarlet
Satin Lined, Gay, Greek Fisherman's Cap!!

CM

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:46:18 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


A tip of the Captains hat to you.

CN


Seee Mooron.....he's got one too!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message
Yeah well he can't afford a decent one...his is probably the plain
black with the black plastic peak.

Maybe I could send him one of my used ones...the hairspray keeps em
looking quite nice.

I'm certain He'll wear it while attempting to "break into" your computer!

CM
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