Cdn ... my opinion, just another money grab.

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message . ..
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Do you have a right to go boating? If you need a license, the
government is changing it from a right to privilege. As soon as you
start licensing some activity as a privilege, a lot of due process
protections may go out the window.

"Michael" wrote in message
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I'd take that bet on the safety gear starting with an offshore liferaft.

M.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile from
from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a
call this winter.

In 10 years of sailing, day sailing and short cruises not ONE injury on
board.
NO DAMAGE to my boat beyond a torn sail. I carry more safety gear than
anyone
here and I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few who actually does MOB drills
each
season. I'm sure some folks here will claim otherwise, but you're all
full
of
sh*t.
And if Dave or GF would like to examine the keel of Alien, they won't
find
so
much as a scratch on the keel. Go look!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB


Bob should have qualified that with "near shore" safety equipment, but he
will have a sat phone, which is, as we all know, an indispensable piece of
safety equipment!
John Cairns

"Gordon" wrote in message . ..
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

I am in canada and as some said you have to get a more or less useless
operator card for $20. Its better than nothing but not the big
breakthrough.

The goal must be to keep a certain kind of idiot of the water without
makeing other peoples hobbies difficult. Which unfortunately useually
fails as soon as politicians get their hands on it.

Matt

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:28:32 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
said:

Bull****... I've hit charted rocks at 100 meters, 250 meters 500 meters
and
1000 meters from my dock.

Never hit any rocks... plenty of mud monsters though.

That's because the bottom of your bay is full of Loon ****!

CM

The way it works in the real world is this. Refer to the original posters
statement. Read Same. The part you snipped out for whatever reason. If you
have trouble understanding it ask the original poster. That would be
Knobspit. After you have thoroughly read and then understand the question
then join in the discussion. . . . .

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Michael wrote:
I'd take that bet on the safety gear starting with an offshore liferaft.

Are we going to go by weight, quantity, quality, or weight as a ratio
of boat weight?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Neal speaks the truth in this case. I checked it out myself after many
years of giving him a hard time about having a license for a boat that never
left the dock. Checked with USCG Portland REC office. Even know the
original license was issued in New Orleans. However they should have,
Portland would have anyway, raised the 25GT for inspected to a higher level.
Not all USCG REC offices are equal and they often do things differently. Yep
he's a real licensed Captain with a renewed license.

M.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Well, here you would still have to fork out an extra $20 on top of
that....
for a card that proves nothing but the fact you paid $20.

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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Correction. Above and beyond my six-pak license I hold
a Master's license, Near Coastal 25GT.

CN


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Fight it Tooth and Nail if it comes your way Cappy!
It's a tax grab.... imagine a government that would require you to
have
this card despite your current 6-pak licence!! Lunacy!

CM



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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It's just another liberal scheme to collect a tax disguised as
a license. Like when you register a boat. It costs more by the
foot yet it costs the same in time and paperwork to register a
dinghy that is six feet LOA as it does to register a motor yacht
that is two hundred feet LOA. Democrats seem to love any
scheme that penalizes those who have money. Liberalism is
all about taking money and rights away from those who have
it and giving it to those to lazy or inept to earn their own.

CN


"Gordon" wrote in message
...
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require
boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are
the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it
just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Safe boating certificate is the legal way to go. If they state 'licenses' a
boater they assume a measure of responsibility having said the individual is
capable of a certain level of activity. By calling it a safe boating
certificate they only show the boater has been exposed to a 'level' of
knowledge, the state therefore assumes no legal responsibility.

"Captain Stan" wrote in message
om...
"No more Pony" wrote in message
ink.net...
In MD, it's not a license, it's a 'safe boating
certificate. It cannot be revoked.
it's an attempt to educate the boating public. It
is somewhat effective in that at least the hold
has been exposed to the basics.
S.

"Dave" wrote in message
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: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:55:42 GMT, "Ed C"
said:
:
: Did a license ever stop an accident on the
road?
:
: Prolly prevented a few. The reason for licensing
is so that the license can
: be revoked. So while the tests probably are
useless, the ability to revoke
: the license for, for example, boating under the
influence, can be
: meaningful.
:

I operate a private yacht charter business in Florida. I also have a
100 ton Masters License, and I have spent many years on the water,
watching people endanger themselves and everyone around them, simply
because they lack an understanding of some of the basic boating
concepts, such as the "rules of the road". It is commonly understood
that anyone having the financial wherewithal to buy a boat is
automatically a "boater". It is also commonly understood by the
professionals that getting in close proximity to one of these
"boaters" is a stroke of bad luck.
I don't know what would be covered in the licensing requirement in
your state, but if it at least provided SOME measure of intelligence
about how to operate safely, how to use a VHF radio, who has the
right of way under different circumstances, and the requirement to
avoid collisions, I would support it. If there is a way to control or
at least influence the amount of education/experience required to
obtain such a license, I would urge you to exercise such influence and
at least get a licensing requirement that makes sense.
Captain stan
Jaxcharter.com

Not sure about in the middle of the country but I don't think due process
counts when the USCG teams or customs inspectors board.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
"Gordon" wrote in message
. ..
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Do you have a right to go boating? If you need a license, the
government is changing it from a right to privilege. As soon as you
start licensing some activity as a privilege, a lot of due process
protections may go out the window.

"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Michael" wrote in message
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And yet, you're the only one here who has hit a charted rock a mile
from
from your slip. Perhaps you should give the local Power Squadron a
call this winter.

In 10 years of sailing, day sailing and short cruises not ONE injury on
board.
NO DAMAGE to my boat beyond a torn sail. I carry more safety gear than
anyone
here and I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few who actually does MOB
drills
each
season. I'm sure some folks here will claim otherwise, but you're all
full
of
sh*t.
And if Dave or GF would like to examine the keel of Alien, they won't
find
so
much as a scratch on the keel. Go look!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

I'd take that bet on the safety gear starting with an offshore liferaft.

M.

Bob should have qualified that with "near shore" safety equipment, but he
will have a sat phone, which is, as we all know, an indispensable piece of
safety equipment!
John Cairns

Which of couse would disqualify most of my 'safety' equipment LOL

M.