In article ,
Joe wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Bull****. You don't have a capt's licence. Better not take any paying
passengers. Someone might report you.


you talking to me?


You deaf??

US Merchant marine Officer
1600 ton master of freight and towing vessels
Serial Number 607529
or before that 100 ton ocean operator serial number 192344
Or AB, Tankerman, OS.
Your not getting my Z card number

I have on good authority that you're full of ****.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Capt._Neal=AE?= wrote:
Ganz is an idiot. It's obvious to any real sailor that you, Joe, are
a sailor and a man's man. Anyone who could attract and hold the
likes of Miss Terry can't be anything but a professional mariner.

Neal has been proven to be a liar and a fool over and over
again. Finally, attempting to save whatever face he could, he left the
group. Now he slithers back claiming gradious adventures, all of which
in reality took place either in the hospital, on a bar stool, or in
jail.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

An excellent and valid point there. If the rule was truly women and children
first, Ganz and Bobsprit would be gauranteed a position aboard the first
life boat.

Gilligan



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
A good story.

However, I have never understood the "women and children first"
philosophy.

It seems to me that the life of a man in his prime who holds a responsible
job and is a law-abiding citizen should be valued above that of a woman
who is a dependent creature with little or no ways or means of her own.

Even the more so for children who are but potentially useful human being.

Rational thought would dictate that the lives of productive, able-bodied
men are far more important than potential and dependency. In my opinion
this saving the lives of woman and children first in a shipwreck can only
be said to be noble, stupid but noble. I do not subscribe to it.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
Ganz is an idiot.

That is odvious to all.


It's obvious to any real sailor that you, Joe, are
a sailor and a man's man. Anyone who could attract and hold the
likes of Miss Terry can't be anything but a professional mariner.


Indeed you are correct Capt. Thats because I treat ladies and boats
with respect. I took an oath that every boat I board; To be prepared
to render aid to those in need; To seek to preserve the motto of the
sea, Women and children first.

However.... if we are ever in a Birkenhead situation Ms Terry may
argue to stay aboard, after all she is a professional mariner...and as
such is bound by duty and honor. I can and will pull rank in a dire
situation.

For those not familiar with The Brikenhead:


Excerpted from Journal of American Culture, Winter 97, Vol. 20, Issue
4, p. 19

In January of 1852, the Birkenhead, a fully loaded transport carrying
British troops and over two dozen of their family members from Cork
[Ireland] to Capetown [South Africa] struck an uncharted rock near the
African coast. The few lifeboats she carried were sufficient to save
only a fraction of those on board. In an atmosphere of calm and
military discipline, wives and children were loaded into three small
boats that then pulled away from the doomed vessel. The captain next
ordered all to abandon ship and swim for the boats. The army officers
countermanded the order, knowing that if hundreds of soldiers and
marines swam for the three small craft and tried to board them, they
would be swamped and all would drown. Not more than three men ignored
orders and jumped into the sea. The remaining hundreds stood fast.
Shortly after the boats were safely away, the Birkenhead slipped off
the rock and plunged to the bottom as the cargo of iron-disciplined
troops stood at attention on her deck. One of the officers who
survived the ordeal, a Lieutenant Lucas of the 73rd Regiment,
described the scene on the ill-fated ship before she went under. His
measured and understated prose conveys the sense of discipline and
duty that prevailed in the face of what appeared to be certain death
for most of those who participated in the events he described.

The ship was now rolling her yardarms in the sea, and it was no light
matter to keep one's legs. It is not easy to imagine a more painful
task than that of getting the wretched women into the boats. This was
in several cases done by main force. Tearing them from their husbands,
they were carried to the bulwarks and dropped over the ship's side
into the arms of the boat's crew. The whole of the women and children,
thirty in all, were safely stowed in the boats when they shoved off.

Lucas concluded his testimony by thanking God that it could "seldom be
said that Englishmen have left women and children to perish and saved
their own lives!" The heroism of the men was widely celebrated in the
popular press at the time of the sinking, and in due course Rudyard
Kipling paid tribute to the courage of the ship's marines in "A
Soldier an' Sailor Too." Referring to them as Jollies, he wrote:

To take your chance in the thick of a rush, with firing all about, Is
nothing so bad when you've cover to' and, an' leave an' likin' to
shout; But to stand an' be still to the Birken'ead drill is a damn'
tough bullet to chew, An' they done it, the Jollies--'Er Majesty's
Jollies--soldier and sailor too.

Three-quarters of a century after the sinking of the Birkenhead,
maritime historian J. G. Lockhart evoked an aura of high drama to
explain the significance of what happened in 1852:

The men who died...established a law which has become embodied in the
unwritten maritime code of all civilized nations. Once and for all on
that January night, it was laid down that...when the alarm has been
given and the ship is sinking and the boats are being lowered, the
women and children on board must first be saved.


Capt. Joe





Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Bull****. You don't have a capt's licence. Better not take any
paying
passengers. Someone might report you.


you talking to me?


US Merchant marine Officer
1600 ton master of freight and towing vessels
Serial Number 607529
or before that 100 ton ocean operator serial number 192344
Or AB, Tankerman, OS.
Your not getting my Z card number

Check it out jonboy.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Capt,Neal?) wrote in message
. com...
Just where is that sexy, redheaded, sailing wench these days?

Still first mate on RedCloud Capt.



Does she still look as good?

Always

Is she available for a decent
fiberglass boat and real captain?

Only in your wetdreams do you have a decent fiberglass boat, and
your
100 ton Captains licences will always be a inferior licences to
Ms
Terrys licences. She has had and used hers for many more years
than
you. And she has mastered vessels that are of the maxium size
allowed
by law for a 100 ton ticket. You... on the other hand have never
mastered anything requiring the full skills of a true 100 ton
Master.
Real masters know that a USCG ticket is just a ticket to learn,
and
until you have pushed your ticket to the max for 10 + years you
will
be a junior officer to Ms Terry at best.

Regards,
Capt. Joe




Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shut up ganz, heteros are talking.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Capt._Neal=AE?= wrote:
Ganz is an idiot. It's obvious to any real sailor that you, Joe,
are
a sailor and a man's man. Anyone who could attract and hold the
likes of Miss Terry can't be anything but a professional mariner.

Neal has been proven to be a liar and a fool over and over
again. Finally, attempting to save whatever face he could, he left
the
group. Now he slithers back claiming gradious adventures, all of
which
in reality took place either in the hospital, on a bar stool, or in
jail.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article .net,
Gilligan wrote:
An excellent and valid point there. If the rule was truly women and children
first, Ganz and Bobsprit would be gauranteed a position aboard the first
life boat.

But Gilly, you're highly qualified to be the first woman!

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Shut up ganz, homos are talking.

SV

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
A good story.

However, I have never understood the "women and children first"
philosophy.

It seems to me that the life of a man in his prime who holds a responsible
job and is a law-abiding citizen should be valued above that of a woman
who is a dependent creature with little or no ways or means of her own.

This may be true in land based situations but not for the
professional mariner.
It is your duty to rescue all passangers in time of peril. Women and
children normally are the weaker swimmers so it only makes sence to
put them aboard a lifeboat first. And a real sailor will not board a
ocean going vessel without the proper amount of lifeboats/rafts. If he
does then he should be the one to go down with the ship if needed.





Even the more so for children who are but potentially useful human being.

Rational thought would dictate that the lives of productive, able-bodied
men are far more important than potential and dependency. In my opinion
this saving the lives of woman and children first in a shipwreck can only
be said to be noble, stupid but noble. I do not subscribe to it.

And that is fine if your not a professional mariner. But you should
make it clear when anyone sets foot aboard your vessel. Most lubbers
look to the Capt. in times of danger for guidence.

Regards,
Joe







Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
Ganz is an idiot.

That is odvious to all.


It's obvious to any real sailor that you, Joe, are
a sailor and a man's man. Anyone who could attract and hold the
likes of Miss Terry can't be anything but a professional mariner.


Indeed you are correct Capt. Thats because I treat ladies and boats
with respect. I took an oath that every boat I board; To be prepared
to render aid to those in need; To seek to preserve the motto of the
sea, Women and children first.

However.... if we are ever in a Birkenhead situation Ms Terry may
argue to stay aboard, after all she is a professional mariner...and as
such is bound by duty and honor. I can and will pull rank in a dire
situation.

For those not familiar with The Brikenhead:


Excerpted from Journal of American Culture, Winter 97, Vol. 20, Issue
4, p. 19

In January of 1852, the Birkenhead, a fully loaded transport carrying
British troops and over two dozen of their family members from Cork
[Ireland] to Capetown [South Africa] struck an uncharted rock near the
African coast. The few lifeboats she carried were sufficient to save
only a fraction of those on board. In an atmosphere of calm and
military discipline, wives and children were loaded into three small
boats that then pulled away from the doomed vessel. The captain next
ordered all to abandon ship and swim for the boats. The army officers
countermanded the order, knowing that if hundreds of soldiers and
marines swam for the three small craft and tried to board them, they
would be swamped and all would drown. Not more than three men ignored
orders and jumped into the sea. The remaining hundreds stood fast.
Shortly after the boats were safely away, the Birkenhead slipped off
the rock and plunged to the bottom as the cargo of iron-disciplined
troops stood at attention on her deck. One of the officers who
survived the ordeal, a Lieutenant Lucas of the 73rd Regiment,
described the scene on the ill-fated ship before she went under. His
measured and understated prose conveys the sense of discipline and
duty that prevailed in the face of what appeared to be certain death
for most of those who participated in the events he described.

The ship was now rolling her yardarms in the sea, and it was no light
matter to keep one's legs. It is not easy to imagine a more painful
task than that of getting the wretched women into the boats. This was
in several cases done by main force. Tearing them from their husbands,
they were carried to the bulwarks and dropped over the ship's side
into the arms of the boat's crew. The whole of the women and children,
thirty in all, were safely stowed in the boats when they shoved off.

Lucas concluded his testimony by thanking God that it could "seldom be
said that Englishmen have left women and children to perish and saved
their own lives!" The heroism of the men was widely celebrated in the
popular press at the time of the sinking, and in due course Rudyard
Kipling paid tribute to the courage of the ship's marines in "A
Soldier an' Sailor Too." Referring to them as Jollies, he wrote:

To take your chance in the thick of a rush, with firing all about, Is
nothing so bad when you've cover to' and, an' leave an' likin' to
shout; But to stand an' be still to the Birken'ead drill is a damn'
tough bullet to chew, An' they done it, the Jollies--'Er Majesty's
Jollies--soldier and sailor too.

Three-quarters of a century after the sinking of the Birkenhead,
maritime historian J. G. Lockhart evoked an aura of high drama to
explain the significance of what happened in 1852:

The men who died...established a law which has become embodied in the
unwritten maritime code of all civilized nations. Once and for all on
that January night, it was laid down that...when the alarm has been
given and the ship is sinking and the boats are being lowered, the
women and children on board must first be saved.


Capt. Joe





Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Joe" wrote in message om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Bull****. You don't have a capt's licence. Better not take any paying
passengers. Someone might report you.


you talking to me?


US Merchant marine Officer
1600 ton master of freight and towing vessels
Serial Number 607529
or before that 100 ton ocean operator serial number 192344
Or AB, Tankerman, OS.
Your not getting my Z card number

Check it out jonboy.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Capt,Neal?) wrote in message
. com...
Just where is that sexy, redheaded, sailing wench these days?

Still first mate on RedCloud Capt.



Does she still look as good?

Always

Is she available for a decent
fiberglass boat and real captain?

Only in your wetdreams do you have a decent fiberglass boat, and your
100 ton Captains licences will always be a inferior licences to Ms
Terrys licences. She has had and used hers for many more years than
you. And she has mastered vessels that are of the maxium size allowed
by law for a 100 ton ticket. You... on the other hand have never
mastered anything requiring the full skills of a true 100 ton Master.
Real masters know that a USCG ticket is just a ticket to learn, and
until you have pushed your ticket to the max for 10 + years you will
be a junior officer to Ms Terry at best.

Regards,
Capt. Joe




Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~