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wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:46:36 GMT, "Overproof" wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Now where on the East or West Coast of the Continental US is there an area without cellular service?? Whole sections of the LIS are without service or have poor service. I've switched phones 3 times to attain better signals. Verizon is currently the best. It works 75% of the time. My sympathies on having to endure such 3rd world service in a country that lays claim to such global power. There is no area along the coast of Nova Scotia that does not have cellular service. You must truly live in a poverty stricken location when cellular service is so spotty as to be unavailable regardless of the fact that you are within line of sight of heavily populated areas. CM ??? Cell service is land based, and for reasons that are obvious to those with any understanding, cell towers are generally placed inland at a point where they often reach just far enough to serve those on shore. The only reason there is service in the LIS at all is because the signal sometimes manages to take advantage of the clear line of site. You must have truly, truly ****ty cellphone technology. I have a pocket sized CDMA cellphone and I can get signal some 30 nautical miles south of Tasmania without problems. Next bit of land is the Antarctic continent. Don't believe me? Ask Oz. PDW |
BB:----"BORN TO LOSE!!" For NUTSY.
Well I finally did it. I sent poor old Thom off the deep end. RB |
Ole Thom
P/S Sailboats Range is determned by the length of time it can support its Crew :^P So there. No statement about the crew was ever made. You could also claim that the range is limited by the lifespan of the crew. Doesn't change the fact that the vessel's ramge is UNLIMITED. You still lose because remedial english is over your head. RB |
Then again, that was the whole concept behind cellular phones, now, wasn't it?
Lots of low power cells that hand off as you pass from one to the next. Bill, why even bother trying to explain this to these clowns? Mooron has no clue about such things. His phone works = better technology!!! It never occurs to him that the same technology can give very different results in different areas. He probably thinks we have the identical weather! RB |
Went to winterize my Atomic "bomb". Disconnected the hose from the
thru-hull and stuck it in a jug of anti-freeze like I always do and started the motor. This time it didn't suck up the antifreeze. No doubt the raterfratzin pump again. So I order the latest and greatest from Moyer - marvel over the improvements awhile - then spend hours lying on the cabin sole working through a small access port to install it. Ahh ... that'll fix it for good -- NOT. MFr still don't suck. So I disconnect the short hose between the thermostat and exhaust manifold (like I should have done before buying a new pump) and start the motor. Presto - antifreeze all over the cabin! Replace that hose and remove the one from the manifold into the exhaust mixer. Got water there too but none into the exhaust. That's plugged solid! Anybody seen that one and know how to fix it? |
make sure you have not pumped water into the engine!
if you do......you will need to drain the crank. refill with oil, run and drain again (probably more than once) the exhaust belongs in the garage container if it is clogged as you say. if the exhaust is clogged..the water that is being pumping.........is going somewhere. try the A4 email list on sailnet.com they are a helpful bunch. gf. "Vito" wrote in message ... Went to winterize my Atomic "bomb". Disconnected the hose from the thru-hull and stuck it in a jug of anti-freeze like I always do and started the motor. This time it didn't suck up the antifreeze. No doubt the raterfratzin pump again. So I order the latest and greatest from Moyer - marvel over the improvements awhile - then spend hours lying on the cabin sole working through a small access port to install it. Ahh ... that'll fix it for good -- NOT. MFr still don't suck. So I disconnect the short hose between the thermostat and exhaust manifold (like I should have done before buying a new pump) and start the motor. Presto - antifreeze all over the cabin! Replace that hose and remove the one from the manifold into the exhaust mixer. Got water there too but none into the exhaust. That's plugged solid! Anybody seen that one and know how to fix it? |
same water, why not weather.
gf. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Then again, that was the whole concept behind cellular phones, now, wasn't it? Lots of low power cells that hand off as you pass from one to the next. Bill, why even bother trying to explain this to these clowns? Mooron has no clue about such things. His phone works = better technology!!! It never occurs to him that the same technology can give very different results in different areas. He probably thinks we have the identical weather! RB |
Scott Vernon wrote:
Last time I backed into the slip with a strong x wind, I went much further down the fairway, backed her pretty fast, made the turn and stopped just in time. I was kinda proud of the 'parking job' I did, till I reached for a dock line and noticed I was in my neighbors' slip. I've done that. Fortunately, our slip neighbor's boat was out at the time... One thing I've learned, if a dock approach is at all iffy, figure some way to make your approach so you have the maximum possible bail-out option. The is always a stray gust of wind, just waiting for the perfect moment to make a fool of you. Last fall we pulled into a small boat basin to drop off some friends... after pulling into the T-pier easily and they stepped off, we backed against a spring line and then pulled away to circle... there was perhaps 50' of open water and a large (70' or so) expensive yacht on the opposite side of the basin, which was also the windward side. Well, for reasons that should be obvious, I tend to favor the windward side but this time that backfired. As we circled around closer to the yacht, the wind suddenly reversed and we were *much* too close to those gleaming megabuck topsides. A very nice lady with an English accent leaned over their rail and said, "I say, I wish you wouldn't come quite so close." All I could do was reply with a shrug, "I wish I hadn't come so close, too." We did get backed around without any contact. Fresh BReezes- Doug King |
same water, why not weather.
Exactly!!! RB |
As Nutsy is so fond of say;
"you heard it here folks; you can send packages back and forth between England and the US on a Soling without crew which makes the boat unlimited. Without crew it can sail forever." That is sailing range according to Nutsy (G) the LOSER Ole Thom |
Get lost FRIG-ment! You just make Nutsy a double LOSER!
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"gonefishiing" wrote
make sure you have not pumped water into the engine! if you do......you will need to drain the crank. refill with oil, run and drain again (probably more than once. the exhaust belongs in the garage container if it is clogged as you say. if the exhaust is clogged..the water that is being pumping.........is going somewhere. Thanks but no water is going into the exhaust. That's the problem. try the A4 email list on sailnet.com they are a helpful bunch. Will do - thanks again. |
Nutsy,
Your boat is on the hard right now, I believe, What is its' range (OR should I say ramge as you did) What is its range on land? Remember you never mentioned crew but you never mentioned water. Is its range limited to water. LIMITED or UNLIMITED. Do you know what unlimited means? word games can be play by many people. Would you rather have your Pooka answer? Remember if he is wrong you become a Double LOSER Ole Thom |
Do you know what unlimited means? word
games can be play by many people. Alien can't sail on land. The word game you elude to is remedial english. You're all flustered now because you got slammed. Had you actually read the posts carefully you wouldn't be looking so dopey now. Even Ozzy understood the point. RB |
Alien can't sail on land,,,,, I know that, Nutsy. Would you say that was
a LIMIT? Now, Can you say you never seen Alien sail without a crew? I don't think so. Now to keep it simple for you Nutsy, Have you ever seen a crew on Alien that wasn't human? Now, still keeping it simple for you, have you ever seen a human without limits? Now, I stated a sailboat range is limited by her crew I'm right! You LOSE! Your Pooka also LOSES! If you want to continue this stupid game I'll start a new head; Nutsy the Loser. Make your replies there. We don't have to subject the rest of the group to this ****ing contest Ole Thom |
Now, I stated a sailboat range is limited by her crew I'm right! You
LOSE! And I said a sailboats range is unlimited. Both statements are correct, but I never questioned yours. Again, you fail at remedial English. RB |
If you want to continue this stupid game I'll start a new head; Nutsy
the Loser. Make your replies there Wow, thom. Good for you. RB |
We don't have to subject the rest of
the group to this ****ing contest What ****ing contest is that? The one where you got a face full of your own urine? Yeah, that one! RB |
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"Vito" wrote in message ...
Went to winterize my Atomic "bomb". Disconnected the hose from the thru-hull and stuck it in a jug of anti-freeze like I always do and started the motor. This time it didn't suck up the antifreeze. No doubt the raterfratzin pump again. Do you have a thermostat? So I order the latest and greatest from Moyer - marvel over the improvements awhile - then spend hours lying on the cabin sole working through a small access port to install it. Ahh ... that'll fix it for good -- NOT. MFr still don't suck. So I disconnect the short hose between the thermostat and exhaust manifold (like I should have done before buying a new pump) and start the motor. Presto - antifreeze all over the cabin! Replace that hose and remove the one from the manifold into the exhaust mixer. Got water there too but none into the exhaust. That's plugged solid! Anybody seen that one and know how to fix it? |
"Vito" wrote in message ...
Went to winterize my Atomic "bomb". Disconnected the hose from the thru-hull and stuck it in a jug of anti-freeze like I always do and started the motor. This time it didn't suck up the antifreeze. No doubt the raterfratzin pump again. So I order the latest and greatest from Moyer - marvel over the improvements awhile - then spend hours lying on the cabin sole working through a small access port to install it. Ahh ... that'll fix it for good -- NOT. MFr still don't suck. So I disconnect the short hose between the thermostat and exhaust manifold (like I should have done before buying a new pump) and start the motor. Presto - antifreeze all over the cabin! Replace that hose and remove the one from the manifold into the exhaust mixer. Got water there too but none into the exhaust. That's plugged solid! Anybody seen that one and know how to fix it? Vito. Ever hear of back pressure? Where is your exhaust vented? Below water? Close to waterline. Do you have a rise to prevent water from coming up the exhaust? Do doubt it's plugged unless your neighbor stuck a potato up your exhaust. You need a blow hard like Bob to test the system. Most people drain the system then fill it without starting the engine and using the pump. After its filled then run to stir. Shezzzzeeee. Joe Atomic 4...........Bwahahahahahahah. |
??? only possible if you have a very substanial blockage before the water
jacket (starboard side if direct drive) if the engine is spinning and the raw water open...this baby is pumping water and it must be going somewhere. if the exhaust is completely clogged as you stated, chances are the water is entering the manifold into the engine. your engine your boat......just my opinion.....good luck. gf. "Vito" wrote in message ... "gonefishiing" wrote make sure you have not pumped water into the engine! if you do......you will need to drain the crank. refill with oil, run and drain again (probably more than once. the exhaust belongs in the garage container if it is clogged as you say. if the exhaust is clogged..the water that is being pumping.........is going somewhere. Thanks but no water is going into the exhaust. That's the problem. try the A4 email list on sailnet.com they are a helpful bunch. Will do - thanks again. |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Good one donal, but the answer is neither. However, in your case, I can just imagine. Pervert!! Please keep me out of your imagination. Regards Donal -- |
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good question, Donal, I don't think Nutsy has sailed the south coast of Long Island. About 120 miles. The Sat Phone wasn't activated :^) Reading his posts, do you suppsed his boat done it without him? Any boat he is on, any boat, has a very limited range. Very limited. Even if he uses Pooka Bill to say otherwise. That's my point! Bob's posts suggest that he sails within a 1/2 mile of the marina. I've never sailed more than 30 miles from land. I consider myself to be a coastal sailor. Regards Donal -- |
If I sailed a Beneteau I would stay even closer to land than thirty miles . . .
You, sir, are a brave but foolish man. CN "Donal" wrote in message ... "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Good question, Donal, I don't think Nutsy has sailed the south coast of Long Island. About 120 miles. The Sat Phone wasn't activated :^) Reading his posts, do you suppsed his boat done it without him? Any boat he is on, any boat, has a very limited range. Very limited. Even if he uses Pooka Bill to say otherwise. That's my point! Bob's posts suggest that he sails within a 1/2 mile of the marina. I've never sailed more than 30 miles from land. I consider myself to be a coastal sailor. Regards Donal -- |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Now, I stated a sailboat range is limited by her crew I'm right! You LOSE! And I said a sailboats range is unlimited. Both statements are correct, but I never questioned yours. Again, you fail at remedial English. What the hell is "remedial English"? Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Now, I stated a sailboat range is limited by her crew I'm right! You LOSE! And I said a sailboats range is unlimited. Both statements are correct, but I never questioned yours. Again, you fail at remedial English. What the hell is "remedial English"? Regards Donal It was Bob's major before he dropped out of night school! John Cairns |
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wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:27:41 +1100, Peter Wiley wrote: In article , wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:46:36 GMT, "Overproof" wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Now where on the East or West Coast of the Continental US is there an area without cellular service?? Whole sections of the LIS are without service or have poor service. I've switched phones 3 times to attain better signals. Verizon is currently the best. It works 75% of the time. My sympathies on having to endure such 3rd world service in a country that lays claim to such global power. There is no area along the coast of Nova Scotia that does not have cellular service. You must truly live in a poverty stricken location when cellular service is so spotty as to be unavailable regardless of the fact that you are within line of sight of heavily populated areas. CM ??? Cell service is land based, and for reasons that are obvious to those with any understanding, cell towers are generally placed inland at a point where they often reach just far enough to serve those on shore. The only reason there is service in the LIS at all is because the signal sometimes manages to take advantage of the clear line of site. You must have truly, truly ****ty cellphone technology. I have a pocket sized CDMA cellphone and I can get signal some 30 nautical miles south of Tasmania without problems. Next bit of land is the Antarctic continent. It has very little or nothing to do with the technology, and everything to do with location. We live in an area of high population density, and most of that population objects to cell towers that are higher than surrounding trees, hills or buildings. We have lots of towers, but none have much range individually. Then again, that was the whole concept behind cellular phones, now, wasn't it? Lots of low power cells that hand off as you pass from one to the next. As I said, you must have truly ****ty technology. A non-exhaustive recap of cell phones. First out here there was analog (AMPS). Very good range, 100 kilometers or more with the proper antenna, big cells, wide spacing. Ideal for a big country, not so good in the cities as the number of users climbed. Next generation, GSM digital. Programmable range, high cell density, low power, ideal for dense metropolises, useless for long range as the number of base stations is ridiculously high and therefore far too expensive to install. Complementary technology, CDMA, not quite as good a range as the old AMPS but a lot better data rate. Works in parallel with a GSM system. We have GSM and CDMA giving us the best of both worlds. Sounds like your cellphone providers don't bother with CDMA. Therefore you have a system with no range and think that's normal for cellphones. It's only normal for providors who either can't or won't provide better tech. Still what can you expect from a country where you have to have roaming agreements if you go interstate? My cellphone works anywhere in Australia that's in range of a base station. Considering we've got something like 80% of the land area of North America and less than 20% of the population...... your tech doesn't look real good. PDW |
Bob**** should just go play with his powered router bits. It's obvious that this is yet another subject where his ignorance is profound and his real-world experience is nonexistent. PDW In article , gonefishiing wrote: same water, why not weather. gf. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Then again, that was the whole concept behind cellular phones, now, wasn't it? Lots of low power cells that hand off as you pass from one to the next. Bill, why even bother trying to explain this to these clowns? Mooron has no clue about such things. His phone works = better technology!!! It never occurs to him that the same technology can give very different results in different areas. He probably thinks we have the identical weather! RB |
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"Joe" wrote
Do you have a thermostat? Yes, but it's working. The blockage is downstream after the water comes out of the jacket around the exhaust manifold - probably in the cast iron inverted U where it gets injected into the actual exhaust pipeing. Thanks for the suggestion. |
"gonefishiing" wrote in message
... ??? only possible if you have a very substanial blockage before the water jacket (starboard side if direct drive) if the engine is spinning and the raw water open...this baby is pumping water and it must be going somewhere. if the exhaust is completely clogged as you stated, chances are the water is entering the manifold into the engine. your engine your boat......just my opinion.....good luck. Sorry about my bad description. The part of the exhaust that carries the exhaust gasses away is not plugged. I can start the motor and exhaust gas comes out normally - just no water. Nor will the pump suck up any water (or antifreeze) while the system is hooked up normally. But if I disconnect the hose where it connects to the top of the inverted U casting to join the exhaust gasses and cool the hoses then plenty of water (antifreeze) comes thru and runs into the bilge. Thanks again |
Vito wrote:
... The part of the exhaust that carries the exhaust gasses away is not plugged. I can start the motor and exhaust gas comes out normally - just no water. Nor will the pump suck up any water (or antifreeze) while the system is hooked up normally. But if I disconnect the hose where it connects to the top of the inverted U casting to join the exhaust gasses and cool the hoses then plenty of water (antifreeze) comes thru and runs into the bilge. Well then, the water side of your injection elbow is plugged up. It happens, usually due to rust. I just finished replacing one last weekend. Unbolt the "inverted U casting" and seperate it from the exhaust hose (a bitch of a job once it's overheated, as ours did) then take it to any shop that can sandblast it well- inside & out. Check to make sure that water can run through the injection side and that the pattern is still good... if the inside part that sprays the cooling water into the exhaust is too rusted away or eroded, then the whole thing is NFG. I bought a new one and am keeping the old one as a spare... not that I expect to need it for about 15 years or so... Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
"DSK" wrote
Well then, the water side of your injection elbow is plugged up. It happens, usually due to rust. I just finished replacing one last weekend. Unbolt the "inverted U casting" and seperate it from the exhaust hose (a bitch of a job once it's overheated, as ours did) then take it to any shop that can sandblast it well- inside & out. Check to make sure that water can run through the injection side and that the pattern is still good... if the inside part that sprays the cooling water into the exhaust is too rusted away or eroded, then the whole thing is NFG. I bought a new one and am keeping the old one as a spare... not that I expect to need it for about 15 years or so... Fresh Breezes- Doug King Thanks ... I was afraid of that. |
IOW, you didn't understand anything about cellphone technology. What I figured so further explanation is wasted. Bottom line is, I have a cellphone that works to over 60 km off the coast of a huge and sparsely populated continent. You have one that doesn't even work off the coast of NYC - assuming you actually ever get more than 100m from the dock, which is doubtful. PDW In article , wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:17:58 +1100, Peter Wiley wrote: In article , wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:27:41 +1100, Peter Wiley wrote: In article , wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:46:36 GMT, "Overproof" wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Now where on the East or West Coast of the Continental US is there an area without cellular service?? Whole sections of the LIS are without service or have poor service. I've switched phones 3 times to attain better signals. Verizon is currently the best. It works 75% of the time. My sympathies on having to endure such 3rd world service in a country that lays claim to such global power. There is no area along the coast of Nova Scotia that does not have cellular service. You must truly live in a poverty stricken location when cellular service is so spotty as to be unavailable regardless of the fact that you are within line of sight of heavily populated areas. CM ??? Cell service is land based, and for reasons that are obvious to those with any understanding, cell towers are generally placed inland at a point where they often reach just far enough to serve those on shore. The only reason there is service in the LIS at all is because the signal sometimes manages to take advantage of the clear line of site. You must have truly, truly ****ty cellphone technology. I have a pocket sized CDMA cellphone and I can get signal some 30 nautical miles south of Tasmania without problems. Next bit of land is the Antarctic continent. It has very little or nothing to do with the technology, and everything to do with location. We live in an area of high population density, and most of that population objects to cell towers that are higher than surrounding trees, hills or buildings. We have lots of towers, but none have much range individually. Then again, that was the whole concept behind cellular phones, now, wasn't it? Lots of low power cells that hand off as you pass from one to the next. As I said, you must have truly ****ty technology. A non-exhaustive recap of cell phones. First out here there was analog (AMPS). Very good range, 100 kilometers or more with the proper antenna, big cells, wide spacing. Ideal for a big country, not so good in the cities as the number of users climbed. Next generation, GSM digital. Programmable range, high cell density, low power, ideal for dense metropolises, useless for long range as the number of base stations is ridiculously high and therefore far too expensive to install. Complementary technology, CDMA, not quite as good a range as the old AMPS but a lot better data rate. Works in parallel with a GSM system. We have GSM and CDMA giving us the best of both worlds. Sounds like your cellphone providers don't bother with CDMA. Therefore you have a system with no range and think that's normal for cellphones. It's only normal for providors who either can't or won't provide better tech. Still what can you expect from a country where you have to have roaming agreements if you go interstate? My cellphone works anywhere in Australia that's in range of a base station. Considering we've got something like 80% of the land area of North America and less than 20% of the population...... your tech doesn't look real good. PDW What a complete dunce! My cellphone works anywhere in the U.S. that is within range of a base station. If english wasn't a second or third language for you, maybe you would have been able to decipher the incredibly complex explanation I posted. BB |
"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote Do you have a thermostat? Yes, but it's working. OK thats great. That is the close loop system. Now here below what your talking about is your raw water system right? The blockage is downstream after the water comes out of the jacket around the exhaust manifold - probably in the cast iron inverted U where it gets injected into the actual exhaust pipeing. Diffrent pumps... different system. The inverted U is called a rise. It is put there to keep water from coming back on top of your pistons. Now unless you have the system sealed you will not have enough pressure to overcome the standing water in the rise. Seal it up, start it up, go outside and look. If you can see it, not sure how your exhaust is ran it may be under water. If your winterizing your raw water system that is the wrong way to do it. What you wanna do is close your seasuction, open your strainer start the engine as you pour antifreeze into the strainer, That is if your strainer is properly mounted. This will fill the raw loop to the riser. Seldom will any exhaust pipe get clogged before the walls go. Joe Thanks for the suggestion. |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... If I sailed a Beneteau I would stay even closer to land than thirty miles .. . . You, sir, are a brave but foolish man. Compared to you, I am an abject coward! Regards Donal -- |
"John Cairns" wrote in message . com... "Donal" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Again, you fail at remedial English. What the hell is "remedial English"? Regards Donal It was Bob's major before he dropped out of night school! John Cairns Poor Bob! Regards Donal -- |
wrote in message ... Ther is more than one way to accumulate water, you senile old faggot. I suspect that the owner of this particular sock-puppet(BB) has a bad case of athlete's foot. Regards Donal -- |
wrote in message ... I don't post detailed trip reports here for every cruise I make. No, you don't. Were you under the impression that we hadn't noticed? Regards Donal -- |
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