In article edPkd.147631$9b.146821@edtnps84,
Overproof wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Nutsy.

When was your last two Coastal cruises? To where?

You are right though, they are a great safety feature. Actually they get
a better CG response than the VHF.

A Sat Phone???? What the heck ?? Do you know how much a month it costs to
have a Sat Phone Activated ...... let's not even calc the rate per call!
Now where on the East or West Coast of the Continental US is there an area
without cellular service??

The only reason to use one on the left coast would be offshore. It
would have been nice to have one last time I took a trip down to
Mexico, but it would have been just to stay in touch with friends and
and business associates.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Joe wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...

OzOne wrote

RB

My mates new Benny has a bow thruster!



Bow thrusters on anything under a 200 footer is for people that have
no clue how to handle a boat.



Good lord.

Cheers

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote

RB

My mates new Benny has a bow thruster!


Bow thrusters on anything under a 200 footer is for people that have
no clue how to handle a boat.


Joe,

I agree with you!!!!




Regards


Donal
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In article edPkd.147631$9b.146821@edtnps84, Overproof
wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Nutsy.

When was your last two Coastal cruises? To where?

You are right though, they are a great safety feature. Actually they get
a better CG response than the VHF.

A Sat Phone???? What the heck ?? Do you know how much a month it costs to
have a Sat Phone Activated ...... let's not even calc the rate per call!

Dunno what you guys pay per call but for us, INMARSAT is about AUD $8 a
minute, Iridium $2-3 a minute. Call quality is a lot better on
INMARSAT. We have a new Fleet 77 system as well but no idea on cost.

Personally I think the call costs are too cheap by at least an order of
magnitude. You can be peacefully stooging about halfway to Africa and
down around 64S and some turkey in the office wants to know something
so they just call up...... Worse than email, at least you can just
ignore that until you feel like replying (or get back to port,
whichever comes first). The *******s *know* you're on the ship
somewhere.

PDW

"Coastal" to the Boob is 150 yards from land.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

In article ,
wrote:
On 11 Nov 2004 23:57:04 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

"Coastal" to the Boob is 150 yards from land.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

So for you, what? That's Offshore?

For Loco, it's the 200 yard limit.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 11 Nov 2004 10:11:35 -0800, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Boats don't suck, only their owners do.

You should blow!


You have to gay-up everything, don't you, Jon-boy?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Thom has a way of hitting the nail on the head. good one 'ol man.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Nutsy,

A stall shower on a sail boat is a damn waste of space and fresh
water
supply!

It is a REAL description of what kind of sailor you really are. A
real
shore power sailor. SSB radio? Why? To listen to sailors who are out
to
sea? A Cellular Phone? To tell Susy what time you'll be home for
supper. (g)

Ole Thom

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 11 Nov 2004 10:11:35 -0800, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Boats don't suck, only their owners do.

You should blow!


You have to gay-up everything, don't you, Jon-boy?

he does. he can't help it, it's in his blood.

Scotty

"Joe" wrote


Bow thrusters on anything under a 200 footer is for people that have
no clue how to handle a boat.

In other words, people like bob. I bet he'd have one if he could
afford it.

Scotty

Any idea how much speed is lost from one, if any?

Scotty


OzOne wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:46:06 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Bow thrusters on anything under a 200 footer is for people that
have
no clue how to handle a boat.


Joe,

I agree with you!!!!




Regards


Donal

Ever maneuvered a 52'yacht in close quarters Donal?
I can tell you that having a bow thruster makes it much easier, and
gives a huge margin of safety.

We can put this boat into a single marina berth stern to in 20kts of
x
wind quickly, easily and safely without the rush to get a line on
the
bow before it starts to swing.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Scott Vernon wrote:
Any idea how much speed is lost from one, if any?

None at all, if you get the really cool expensive retracable kind.

There are a couple of things to reduce drag from the tunnel. One (simple
& cheap) is to work up a sort of fairing at the leading edge of the
tunnel so that the flow is diverted when the boat is moving forward...
helps but not perfect, obviously. Another is to make the tunnel as small
as possible, except that this reduces the amount of horsepower you can
get into play; which can be helped by putting it deeper & further forward.

I agree with Oz1, there are times & places where a bow thruster is
really handy. It greatly extends the range of maneuvering possibilities
in tight places and crosswinds.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Last time I backed into the slip with a strong x wind, I went much
further down the fairway, backed her pretty fast, made the turn and
stopped just in time. I was kinda proud of the 'parking job' I did,
till I reached for a dock line and noticed I was in my neighbors'
slip.

Scotty



"DSK" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:
Any idea how much speed is lost from one, if any?

None at all, if you get the really cool expensive retracable kind.

There are a couple of things to reduce drag from the tunnel. One
(simple
& cheap) is to work up a sort of fairing at the leading edge of the
tunnel so that the flow is diverted when the boat is moving
forward...
helps but not perfect, obviously. Another is to make the tunnel as
small
as possible, except that this reduces the amount of horsepower you
can
get into play; which can be helped by putting it deeper & further
forward.

I agree with Oz1, there are times & places where a bow thruster is
really handy. It greatly extends the range of maneuvering
possibilities
in tight places and crosswinds.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Boats don't suck, only their owners do.

I want to blow Scotty.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"Horvath" wrote in message
.. .
On 11 Nov 2004 10:11:35 -0800, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Boats don't suck, only their owners do.

You should blow!


You have to gay-up everything, don't you, Jon-boy?

he does. he can't help it, it's in his blood.

Scotty

Unlike you, I don't have to worry about getting AIDS.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Sat Phone!!.... Coastal!!!... Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa

Do you have a clue as to how ridiculous that is!

Nope. It costs very little and is only to be used in an emergency. Since and
expensive system is on board, why not keep it operational? Cell phones don't
always work and being able to make a call in a medical emergency seems like a
good thing.

RB

A Sat Phone???? What the heck ?? Do you know how much a month it costs to
have a Sat Phone Activated ...... let's not even calc the rate per call!


I'll have a small child on board. To keep the phone in standby is 90.00 per
month. I'll take that extra little safety net, thank you.

RB

Now where on the East or West Coast of the Continental US is there an area
without cellular service??

Whole sections of the LIS are without service or have poor service. I've
switched phones 3 times to attain better signals. Verizon is currently the
best. It works 75% of the time.

RB

Any idea how much speed is lost from one, if any?


Holy crapzilla!!!


RB

I was kinda proud of the 'parking job' I did,
till I reached for a dock line and noticed I was in my neighbors'
slip.


Good lord.


RB

On 11 Nov 2004 22:55:06 -0800, (Jon-boy
Ganz) wrote this crap:


Boats don't suck, only their owners do.

I want to blow Scotty.


You have to gay-up everything, don't you, Jon-boy?






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I want to blow Scotty.


You have to gay-up everything, don't you, Jon-boy?


Horvath, we don't care that you're gay. We saw your pic with the breasts and
that's okay as well. But don't imagine that everyone is gay. It's just you and
Scotty.

RB

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 11 Nov 2004 22:55:06 -0800, (Jon-boy
Ganz) wrote this crap:


Boats don't suck, only their owners do.

I want to blow Scotty.


You have to gay-up everything, don't you, Jon-boy?


He can't help it. To think that he typed that, even pretending it's
from Horvy, he still typed it.


SV

"Horvath" wrote in message
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I want to blow Scotty.



Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Yikees! Scotty... run for the hills!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Horvath" wrote in message
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I want to blow Scotty.


He can't help it. To think that he typed that, even pretending it's
from Ganz, he still typed it.


SV

How bout your new boat everyone gonna **** over, what kind of range do
you think it has?


Uh, Joe...Sailboats have unlimited range.

RB

it's just too scary for boob**** to even think about.


"Joe" wrote in message
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(Bobsprit) wrote in message
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Watermaker?

Not yet. Will get one before heading out into the Pacific.


Read NEVER.


Why?

Joe

RB

Nutsy,

Sailboat do not have unlimited range. Never did and never will.

The limiting factors; People and their needs. Provisions and water!!
That is one of the big factors of the success of power. Trip planning
with a known time period and known provisioning needs.

That, Nutsy, is why a stall shower is a damn waste. Empty space!

Ole Thom

Are you a typical NY yacht club pansie or what...

Your statement is pathetic.

Since everyone agreed that a bow thruster can be of use on some situations, I
guess you just got your foot deeply down your own throat. Maybe Scotty Potti
can suck it out for you....???

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

I worked for years and years on 50+ diffrent 100' to 165' boats and
only one had a bow thruster.

Yeah, and I sailed for years on boats without Radar. What's your point? That
because we got along without it it has no value?
Joe, seriously. Very Seriously. You're really really stupid.

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Sailboat do not have unlimited range. Never did and never will.

The limiting factors; People and their needs.

Thom, you've proven my point with ease. SAILBOATS have unlimited range.

RB

That, Nutsy, is why a stall shower is a damn waste. Empty space!

It's only a waste of space if you don't like a nice hot shower aboard. You
could also make the case that most of the berths on board are a waste of space
as well.

RB

Uh, Joe...Sailboats have unlimited range.

Uh, Boob....... they are linited by the size of the water tanks.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

DD730 wrote:
I smoked blunts for 33 years, usually several times a day. I stopped last
March and haven't had once since. Did you know that keel boats heel?

No they don't. If they heeled, it would spill the bong.

DSK

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
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Watermaker?

Not yet. Will get one before heading out into the Pacific.


Read NEVER.


Why?

Joe

RB

Probably because Bob hasn't done any blue-water sailing in the Atlantic,
even though he's had ample opportunity to do so over the years, by his own
reckoning.
John Cairns

OzOne wrote in message ...
On 12 Nov 2004 19:51:31 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) scribbled
thusly:

Uh, Joe...Sailboats have unlimited range.

Uh, Boob....... they are linited by the size of the water tanks.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

WTF?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Lux blue-water cruising? I suppose if you use water aboard like you do at
home, water tank size might be an issue, I've never heard it, OTOH, a lot of
contemporary blue-water boats have watermakers, I guess it might have
something to do with "couples" and the possibility that women might want to
shower more frequently than men.

John Cairns

Yeah Nutsy,

And to extend the range they used: WAY STATIONS!! In every ocean of the
world

Don't try to Educate him Loco. Just do as Susy does and say "Yes Dear;
(You dumb SOB to yourself) You're so right, dear. ( You stupid
B--t--d) Things will change when you get your new boat (g)

At least we have him on Topic, for a change.

Ole Thom