yes she has worked some on the rights of children and deserves credit for
this (somewhat misguided) effort.

I doubt the reopened children centers are misguided. And I seriously doubt
parents in those areas will agree with you.

RB

want to venture a guess: the funding is not in place. the project has come
to a halt.
fine "representation" don't you think
more smoke screens.

A lot of valid projects get stalled. Happens all the time. Doesn't always mean
bad politics. Good intentions don't always bring good results.

RB

Testimony of Governor George E. Pataki

You might ask Pete Seeger what he thinks of Pataki. Pataki has defended large
companies who were cited for massive dumping again and again. For a long time
(and it's still pending) he looked the other way while GE refused to pay for
cleanup of the worst spill in the areas history. But Pataki seeks federal
assist? It's a damn crime. At least Hillary and Schumer have been vocal about
it.
It might also interest you to know that my father is a naturalist (for 45
years) who worked to fight these companies and people like Pataki. And I myself
worked for the NY Zoological Society dept of Ed. for a while. I actually know
the real stories. E-mail me offline if you'd like to hear the awful GE spill
story and how the whole LIS bed is layered with poison for miles.

RB

i'd ask Ole Pete, but i lost his phone #, haven't seen him on the train in a
long time. and the last time i was aboard the Clearwater Sloop, he was not
there.

if you are referring to the Hudson River PCB issue: there are arguably very
real reasons for not disturbing the material at the bottom of the river.

not withstanding GE: (who should be held accountable) work that needs to be
done cannot be done( for the most part) without federal money. it is beyond
the reach of local government. this is not only about commerical ventures
gone bad, it is also about an antiquated infrastructure and a population
base that has swelled.

The point of what i posted was two-fold.
first: hillary is not the only one concerned about the sound. there are and
have been many others, republican and democrat.
and frankly some of the most effective efforts have been by those outside of
government...........
she deserves credit for what she has done as a Jr. Senator. not more or less
and preferably in context. ( a word i'm afraid is disappearing from the
current politcal scene)

Pataki found funding to correct severe "structural" issues.
this has value for you as well.
Nothing to do with GE, which is a seperate debate.

my post had nothing to do with defending pataki.........and hopefully you
may begin to get the point that while i remain engaged and interested in
what is happening, i prefer no government.....not republican,
democrat,,,,,,or nader for that matter.

Since they are here to stay, I just use em for whatever value they have,
appreciate them for their service when it happens and vote as i see fit.

so in the end the defense of democrats and bashing of republicans means very
little to me.

gf.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Testimony of Governor George E. Pataki

You might ask Pete Seeger what he thinks of Pataki. Pataki has defended
large
companies who were cited for massive dumping again and again. For a long
time
(and it's still pending) he looked the other way while GE refused to pay
for
cleanup of the worst spill in the areas history. But Pataki seeks federal
assist? It's a damn crime. At least Hillary and Schumer have been vocal
about
it.
It might also interest you to know that my father is a naturalist (for 45
years) who worked to fight these companies and people like Pataki. And I
myself
worked for the NY Zoological Society dept of Ed. for a while. I actually
know
the real stories. E-mail me offline if you'd like to hear the awful GE
spill
story and how the whole LIS bed is layered with poison for miles.

RB

if you are referring to the Hudson River PCB issue: there are arguably very
real reasons for not disturbing the material at the bottom of the river.


Good lord!!! The ole' "lets not stir up the bottom" issue direct from GE's own
team!!! The truth is that technology exists to remove the spill, but it's
horribly expensive for the company. I guess they should have to do it then,
right?

RB

technology exists?
name it.
gf

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
if you are referring to the Hudson River PCB issue: there are arguably
very
real reasons for not disturbing the material at the bottom of the
river.


Good lord!!! The ole' "lets not stir up the bottom" issue direct from GE's
own
team!!! The truth is that technology exists to remove the spill, but it's
horribly expensive for the company. I guess they should have to do it
then,
right?

RB

technology exists?
name it.

No problem. I've answered each of your questions, and all you do is quickly
change the question.
Standard removal of layered PCB's involved dredging. Open water dredging and
dumping if actually used to relocat pollutants in some cases. It isn't possible
in this case of course. Vaccum type systems are costly, but greatly limit
sediment damage. Treatment of the materials is also possible. GE's claim that
it will creat a PCB "cloud" is actually true, but the duration of the cloud is
not serious enough to have any impact comperable to leaving the PCBs in place.
And sediment lifting is a minimal factor with new dredging technology.
Leaving it there forever is not the answer.

RB

ot withstanding GE: (who should be held accountable) work that needs to be
done cannot be done( for the most part) without federal money.


GE has the moneys to fix thr problem. They wouldn't be ruined either. They
simply want to keep that money. That's what companies do.

RB

first: hillary is not the only one concerned about the sound. there are and
have been many others, republican and democrat.


Excuse me, but YOU are the one who questioned what she had done. Now that you
have some examples you are saying it doesn't count because people are also
fighting the good fight.
Give me a break! The only question that remains is one about her "long term
service" when the woman has only been a senator for a short while!
Give it up, bub.

RB

Well first of all you have to look at the context of the issue.

New York had no one suitable and hired a professional outsider from
Arkansas. Pay mercenary wages you get mercenary results.

Second the word "river". Should she support that the leap from Hudson to
White is not a far stretch, something she doesn't want the pubic reminded
about.

Third, as Congressman At Large (the proper term for what used to be
Senators) New York to her is no different than was Arkansas, a stepping
stone...to be stepped on, pushed into the mud, and then left behind.

However she remains, at present the only choice the Democrats have now due
solely to a media perceived 'stature', having actually slept or whatever in
the White House, and of course being a woman has not military service
baggage to live down.

Ergo.....Hillary in 2008. It ain't rockitscience.

Now the Republicans have a much larger problem they are startingfrom
scratch....or are they? A Veep after all only serves two purposes. Get
votes for the Prez and make him assassination proof. Gore, Edwards and
whatshisname from ....where was it a case in point (the one who was veep
under Bush Senior). So discounting the myth that Veeps have presidential
qualities Hillary may very well be facing Powell or someone of similar
stature.

I'm lovin' it!

M.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
first: hillary is not the only one concerned about the sound. there are
and
have been many others, republican and democrat.


Excuse me, but YOU are the one who questioned what she had done. Now that
you
have some examples you are saying it doesn't count because people are also
fighting the good fight.
Give me a break! The only question that remains is one about her "long
term
service" when the woman has only been a senator for a short while!
Give it up, bub.

RB