What I'm saying is that Bush really has nothing to do with the flu....I
suppose the reason you ran out of toilet paper was someone's fault (other
than your own) too? Flu happens every year, and yes, there are indicator's
in advance (probably nbot two years but mire than a year) of what is
mutating and how fast.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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So, what you're saying is that Bush knew 2 years ago that this flu season
was going to be mild? Talk about delusional....

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katysails" wrote in message
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That's bullroar...this is not supposed to be a bad flu year and the only
people who need flu shots are the infirm...people are making much more
out of this than what it is....if you have bad lungs to begin with, or a
serious heart condition, or a depleted immune system, then you might have
something to worry about...other than that, you'll get an upper
respiratory viral infection (that's spelled G-O-L-D) and in a week to 10
days it will be over. Frink fluid, take zinc, and don;t sneeze on your
neighbor. And remember...WASHING YOUR HANDS IS THE BERY BESY
PREVENTATIVE FOR INFLUENZAit beats the shot 100 to 1.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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And, Bush knew about the problem years ago, and he did NOTHING. Now,
potentially more people will die from flu then died in the entire
Vietnam war.

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www.sailnow.com

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion...edit_1024.html



"The government could - and should - prevent subsequent shortages by
buying a certain amount of vaccine each year", what heresy is this?

Next thing you'll want the government to fund and operate a health care
system, you'll become like the rest of the industrialized world where
everyone can get essential care without going broke. Of course you
might have to wait for a bit to get that non life threatening
rhinoplasty.

Cheers
Marty

In article ,
katysails wrote:
What I'm saying is that Bush really has nothing to do with the flu....I
suppose the reason you ran out of toilet paper was someone's fault (other
than your own) too? Flu happens every year, and yes, there are indicator's
in advance (probably nbot two years but mire than a year) of what is
mutating and how fast.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what you're saying is that Bush knew 2 years ago that this flu season
was going to be mild? Talk about delusional....

He had nothing to do with causing it, although he does make me sick on
a regular basis. Flu happens every year. Bush knew, in advance, that
there was a crisis with respect to companies that manufacture the
vaccine. He was informed that something had to be done to make sure
that the vaccine would be available. He did NOTHING.

There are plenty of suppliers of TP. There are not plenty of suppliers
of vaccine. The government needed to step in and ensure the supply.
The situation has been getting worse for years. It became critical a
couple of years ago. Bush did NOTHING.

That's what I'm saying.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
What I'm saying is that Bush really has nothing to do with the flu....I
suppose the reason you ran out of toilet paper was someone's fault (other
than your own) too? Flu happens every year, and yes, there are
indicator's
in advance (probably nbot two years but mire than a year) of what is
mutating and how fast.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what you're saying is that Bush knew 2 years ago that this flu
season
was going to be mild? Talk about delusional....

He had nothing to do with causing it, although he does make me sick on
a regular basis. Flu happens every year. Bush knew, in advance, that
there was a crisis with respect to companies that manufacture the
vaccine. He was informed that something had to be done to make sure
that the vaccine would be available. He did NOTHING.

There are plenty of suppliers of TP. There are not plenty of suppliers
of vaccine. The government needed to step in and ensure the supply.
The situation has been getting worse for years. It became critical a
couple of years ago. Bush did NOTHING.

That's what I'm saying.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"katysails" wrote in message
...
What I'm saying is that Bush really has nothing to do with the
flu....I
suppose the reason you ran out of toilet paper was someone's fault
(other
than your own) too?


Ganz blamed the President because he ran out of toilet paper? Well,
if he wipes the bull **** off his mouth every time he spews it, I can
see why he ran out.

me

In article ,
katysails wrote:
There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.

Katy, you're not thinking clearly. You can rant all you want, but the
flu shot is essential for certain members of our population. What
gov't intervention are you talking about? Allowing an essential
industry to fail that risks the lives of thousands of people? For the
sake of a "market economy?" Seems rather cold-blooded to me. I hope
you're not going to be using your Social Security, taking public
transportation, are ever in need of an emergency room, or don't care
if you're ripped off by your bank. If you do care about any of those
things, in addition to making sure you have running water, sewers that
work, highways that aren't clogged with potholes, you're going to have
some gov't intervention. Of course, I'm betting you have no problem
with gov't intervention with respect to outlawing abortions. It's one
thing not to save the life of a productive member of the society, but
it's quite another to attempt to preserve the life of a non-viable
fetus while endangering the mother.

I hate to tell you but the flu wiped out millions of Americans, and it
will continue to kill thousands needlessly unless we have some gov't
intervention.

I think you need to get a life, get out more often, and stop allowing
yourself to be brainwashed by people who don't give a rat's ass about
anything or anyone besides themselves. If you want to call me a
socialist or a communist, feel free. I care about my fellow human
beings, and I intend to do everything I can to help others, even if
you refuse to because of some misguided notion about "free
enterprise."



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:
Ganz blamed the President because he ran out of toilet paper? Well,
if he wipes the bull **** off his mouth every time he spews it, I can
see why he ran out.

Geez Scottie, maybe RB was right about you. You seem obsessed with
toilet humor.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

And if the average hoipoloi didn't clamor for there's there would be enough
fir those sickly individuals....almost every health care worker in the US is
summarily stabbed every year on the off chance they might contract it from a
victim...truth is, handwashing is far more effective a preventative....other
truth is, the flu shot only protects against a very limited number of
strains and there are usually 100 x more out there that it doesn't
protect....it is not a health care panacea....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself
a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about
it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.

Katy, you're not thinking clearly. You can rant all you want, but the
flu shot is essential for certain members of our population. What
gov't intervention are you talking about? Allowing an essential
industry to fail that risks the lives of thousands of people? For the
sake of a "market economy?" Seems rather cold-blooded to me. I hope
you're not going to be using your Social Security, taking public
transportation, are ever in need of an emergency room, or don't care
if you're ripped off by your bank. If you do care about any of those
things, in addition to making sure you have running water, sewers that
work, highways that aren't clogged with potholes, you're going to have
some gov't intervention. Of course, I'm betting you have no problem
with gov't intervention with respect to outlawing abortions. It's one
thing not to save the life of a productive member of the society, but
it's quite another to attempt to preserve the life of a non-viable
fetus while endangering the mother.

I hate to tell you but the flu wiped out millions of Americans, and it
will continue to kill thousands needlessly unless we have some gov't
intervention.

I think you need to get a life, get out more often, and stop allowing
yourself to be brainwashed by people who don't give a rat's ass about
anything or anyone besides themselves. If you want to call me a
socialist or a communist, feel free. I care about my fellow human
beings, and I intend to do everything I can to help others, even if
you refuse to because of some misguided notion about "free
enterprise."



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

BTW, there won't be any Social Security...we pay heavily for our own health
insurance, and banks are protected by the FDIC....if you are counting on
Social Security to take care of you when you're ancient, you're really in
sad shape...that is the biggest myth the Democrats ever promulgated and FDR
never intended that people should live on SS benefits...they were to be an
assistance...all the money I have put into the SS system has gone to take
care of those that are drawing right now....there won't be the population
necessary to do the same for me when I retire. Public utilities? What are
those? We have a well and a septic field...and there is no public
transportation outside the city limits of Grand Rapids unless you drive to
the Mall to take the bus in...and no commuter trains...so I guess I'm really
not worried about those things..I've never had them so won't miss them.
As far as your abortion diatribe, my opinions do not have anything to do
with government...if the government puts it up for a vote, then as a citizen
I vote and have my say...if it's not to my liking, I have the RIGHT to still
have my say, which you seem to not understand....if a mother's life is in
danger, then there is a necessity for abortion. Over the years I have never
met anyone who had an abortion for that reason. I have known women who had
them for monetary reasons...because they didn't want to wait and give the
baby up for adoption...because they wanted to get back at the man and punish
him...because it was a girl baby and not a boy like they wanted....there are
scenarios where an abortion is the lesser of two evils...those incidences
are not in that category...
As far as getting out, I'm out every day....I read the medical trade
journals for the long term care industry. What you have to remember is that
San Francisco is not the world...it is a very specialized community that
lives quite differently than the rest of us in the US....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself
a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about
it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.

Katy, you're not thinking clearly. You can rant all you want, but the
flu shot is essential for certain members of our population. What
gov't intervention are you talking about? Allowing an essential
industry to fail that risks the lives of thousands of people? For the
sake of a "market economy?" Seems rather cold-blooded to me. I hope
you're not going to be using your Social Security, taking public
transportation, are ever in need of an emergency room, or don't care
if you're ripped off by your bank. If you do care about any of those
things, in addition to making sure you have running water, sewers that
work, highways that aren't clogged with potholes, you're going to have
some gov't intervention. Of course, I'm betting you have no problem
with gov't intervention with respect to outlawing abortions. It's one
thing not to save the life of a productive member of the society, but
it's quite another to attempt to preserve the life of a non-viable
fetus while endangering the mother.

I hate to tell you but the flu wiped out millions of Americans, and it
will continue to kill thousands needlessly unless we have some gov't
intervention.

I think you need to get a life, get out more often, and stop allowing
yourself to be brainwashed by people who don't give a rat's ass about
anything or anyone besides themselves. If you want to call me a
socialist or a communist, feel free. I care about my fellow human
beings, and I intend to do everything I can to help others, even if
you refuse to because of some misguided notion about "free
enterprise."



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

katysails wrote:
BTW, there won't be any Social Security...

When? As I understand it, the current SS plan is good up into the
2040s... of course that includes a lot of dodges like increasing taxes
on retirement income, raising the benefit age, decreasing benefits, etc etc.

....if you are counting on
Social Security to take care of you when you're ancient, you're really in
sad shape...

Agreed. My advice to anyone looking ahead to retirement is, if you can't
save money now, start eating dog food. 1- it'll help you save and 2-
you'd better get used to the taste.

... that is the biggest myth the Democrats ever promulgated and FDR
never intended that people should live on SS benefits...they were to be an
assistance...

That's true. When first begun it was also an excellent dodge for gov't
finances because far more people were paying in than taking out.

... all the money I have put into the SS system has gone to take
care of those that are drawing right now....

Not entirely true... some of it has gone to buy Treasury bonds.

....Public utilities? What are
those? .....I've never had them so won't miss them.

Ever heard that Hank Williams Jr song about how a country boy can
survive? Of course, there's a lot less country nowadays. You're lucky
there has not been so much growth up there... maybe everybody really is
moving down here.


As far as your abortion diatribe, my opinions do not have anything to do
with government...if the government puts it up for a vote, then as a citizen
I vote and have my say...if it's not to my liking, I have the RIGHT to still
have my say, which you seem to not understand....

True. It's a very thorny issue and contrary to what the media might lead
one to believe, there is a wide range of positions and they all have
some moral right. It is also an older issue than many would believe,
abortion has been practiced almost since the dawn of written history and
every civilization has had issues with it in one form or another. It is
a core human issue.



...because it was a girl baby and not a boy like they wanted....there are
scenarios where an abortion is the lesser of two evils...those incidences
are not in that category...

Just tossing out another random fact... one of the population control
measures in China was subsidized abortion (they may still be doing this)
starting back in the 1960s. Because of the perceived desirability of
boys over girls, parents have been aborting more unborn girls. The
result is that the sex ratio of their population is seriously out of
whack. As China gets more prosperous, we will see tens of millions of
Chinese men shopping for brides in other countries.

Of course, the traditional answer to this problem... excess male
population... is war.


As far as getting out, I'm out every day....I read the medical trade
journals for the long term care industry. What you have to remember is that
San Francisco is not the world...it is a very specialized community that
lives quite differently than the rest of us in the US....

Agreed, but then *every* community is different in one way or another.
It seems to be a question of increasing importance... can we get along
well enough to hold a big country together?

Regards
Doug King

I get a letter from SS ,about every six months, with a chart showing
what I'll get at different retirement ages. It's enough to buy dry
dog food, but not the good canned stuff.

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
t...
katysails wrote:
BTW, there won't be any Social Security...

When? As I understand it, the current SS plan is good up into the
2040s... of course that includes a lot of dodges like increasing
taxes
on retirement income, raising the benefit age, decreasing benefits,
etc etc.

....if you are counting on
Social Security to take care of you when you're ancient, you're
really in
sad shape...

Agreed. My advice to anyone looking ahead to retirement is, if you
can't
save money now, start eating dog food. 1- it'll help you save and 2-
you'd better get used to the taste.

... that is the biggest myth the Democrats ever promulgated and
FDR
never intended that people should live on SS benefits...they were
to be an
assistance...