There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
What I'm saying is that Bush really has nothing to do with the flu....I
suppose the reason you ran out of toilet paper was someone's fault (other
than your own) too? Flu happens every year, and yes, there are
indicator's
in advance (probably nbot two years but mire than a year) of what is
mutating and how fast.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what you're saying is that Bush knew 2 years ago that this flu
season
was going to be mild? Talk about delusional....

He had nothing to do with causing it, although he does make me sick on
a regular basis. Flu happens every year. Bush knew, in advance, that
there was a crisis with respect to companies that manufacture the
vaccine. He was informed that something had to be done to make sure
that the vaccine would be available. He did NOTHING.

There are plenty of suppliers of TP. There are not plenty of suppliers
of vaccine. The government needed to step in and ensure the supply.
The situation has been getting worse for years. It became critical a
couple of years ago. Bush did NOTHING.

That's what I'm saying.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
katysails wrote:
There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.

Katy, you're not thinking clearly. You can rant all you want, but the
flu shot is essential for certain members of our population. What
gov't intervention are you talking about? Allowing an essential
industry to fail that risks the lives of thousands of people? For the
sake of a "market economy?" Seems rather cold-blooded to me. I hope
you're not going to be using your Social Security, taking public
transportation, are ever in need of an emergency room, or don't care
if you're ripped off by your bank. If you do care about any of those
things, in addition to making sure you have running water, sewers that
work, highways that aren't clogged with potholes, you're going to have
some gov't intervention. Of course, I'm betting you have no problem
with gov't intervention with respect to outlawing abortions. It's one
thing not to save the life of a productive member of the society, but
it's quite another to attempt to preserve the life of a non-viable
fetus while endangering the mother.

I hate to tell you but the flu wiped out millions of Americans, and it
will continue to kill thousands needlessly unless we have some gov't
intervention.

I think you need to get a life, get out more often, and stop allowing
yourself to be brainwashed by people who don't give a rat's ass about
anything or anyone besides themselves. If you want to call me a
socialist or a communist, feel free. I care about my fellow human
beings, and I intend to do everything I can to help others, even if
you refuse to because of some misguided notion about "free
enterprise."



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

And if the average hoipoloi didn't clamor for there's there would be enough
fir those sickly individuals....almost every health care worker in the US is
summarily stabbed every year on the off chance they might contract it from a
victim...truth is, handwashing is far more effective a preventative....other
truth is, the flu shot only protects against a very limited number of
strains and there are usually 100 x more out there that it doesn't
protect....it is not a health care panacea....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
There you go with THE GOVERNMENT crap again...why don't you find yourself
a
nice socialistic or communist country to live in where the government is
everything? Got news for you, there are still people here who do not want
all that governmental intervention....the whole flu shot thing is a
construct...they've got you snowed into thinking that it's a necessity of
life...that you will die without it...this is not the 1930's when
malnutrition was rife, when antibiotics barely existed (sulfa was about
it)
and where the life expectancy was somewhere around 62. The chance of an
epidemic here is not probably at all. Get over it. You've been
brainwashed.

Katy, you're not thinking clearly. You can rant all you want, but the
flu shot is essential for certain members of our population. What
gov't intervention are you talking about? Allowing an essential
industry to fail that risks the lives of thousands of people? For the
sake of a "market economy?" Seems rather cold-blooded to me. I hope
you're not going to be using your Social Security, taking public
transportation, are ever in need of an emergency room, or don't care
if you're ripped off by your bank. If you do care about any of those
things, in addition to making sure you have running water, sewers that
work, highways that aren't clogged with potholes, you're going to have
some gov't intervention. Of course, I'm betting you have no problem
with gov't intervention with respect to outlawing abortions. It's one
thing not to save the life of a productive member of the society, but
it's quite another to attempt to preserve the life of a non-viable
fetus while endangering the mother.

I hate to tell you but the flu wiped out millions of Americans, and it
will continue to kill thousands needlessly unless we have some gov't
intervention.

I think you need to get a life, get out more often, and stop allowing
yourself to be brainwashed by people who don't give a rat's ass about
anything or anyone besides themselves. If you want to call me a
socialist or a communist, feel free. I care about my fellow human
beings, and I intend to do everything I can to help others, even if
you refuse to because of some misguided notion about "free
enterprise."



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"katysails" wrote in message

And if the average hoipoloi didn't clamor for there's there would be
enough fir those sickly individuals....almost every health care worker in
the US is summarily stabbed every year on the off chance they might
contract it from a victim...truth is, handwashing is far more effective a
preventative....

True indeed. I've resorted to using an alcohol-based hand "sterilizing"
lotion between and during patient visits.

other truth is, the flu shot only protects against a very limited number of
strains and there are usually 100 x more out there that it doesn't
protect....it is not a health care panacea....

The latest word is that a strain called New Zealand # something or other is
the feared edition this year. And the current vaccines are ineffective
against it.

As an aside, many of my patients report getting the flu each year despite
having a flu shot. The whole flu shot morass is almost fraudulent in the
way its hyped by the media.

Max

In article ,
katysails wrote:
And if the average hoipoloi didn't clamor for there's there would be enough
fir those sickly individuals....almost every health care worker in the US is
summarily stabbed every year on the off chance they might contract it from a
victim...truth is, handwashing is far more effective a preventative....other
truth is, the flu shot only protects against a very limited number of
strains and there are usually 100 x more out there that it doesn't
protect....it is not a health care panacea....

And, I never said it was a health care panacea. I said that it's a
prudent step to take in preventing a lot of dying. Even the gov't,
which you seem to want to have nothing to do with, says that.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Many people don't die of the flu anymore. Relatively few do, or have, for
decades. Get your facts straight.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
And if the average hoipoloi didn't clamor for there's there would be
enough
fir those sickly individuals....almost every health care worker in the US
is
summarily stabbed every year on the off chance they might contract it from
a
victim...truth is, handwashing is far more effective a
preventative....other
truth is, the flu shot only protects against a very limited number of
strains and there are usually 100 x more out there that it doesn't
protect....it is not a health care panacea....

And, I never said it was a health care panacea. I said that it's a
prudent step to take in preventing a lot of dying. Even the gov't,
which you seem to want to have nothing to do with, says that.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

katysails wrote:

Many people don't die of the flu anymore. Relatively few do, or have, for
decades. Get your facts straight.

Well 36,000 a year is less than die on the highway.

Cheers
Marty

Jon,

I gave an example of how I am being ripped off. Now let me give an
example of "Life in the Good Ole US of A" I just had my Flu Shot
Thursday, at my doctor's office, free of charge because of my age and
the drugs I take, which are immune suppressants including Mestinon. Your
government has given us top priority. That government Admin. by
G.W.Bush.

Ole Thom

In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
Jon,

I gave an example of how I am being ripped off. Now let me give an
example of "Life in the Good Ole US of A" I just had my Flu Shot
Thursday, at my doctor's office, free of charge because of my age and
the drugs I take, which are immune suppressants including Mestinon. Your
government has given us top priority. That government Admin. by
G.W.Bush.

Nice example. Glad you got your shot. Unfortunately, there are lots of
people in your situation that may not be able to get one free or
otherwise. Bush failed to think ahead (nothing new), and as a result,
some seniors have to wait in long lines. One woman died in line.

We spend something like 15% of GDP on healthcare in the US, but we
don't cover 41 million. Bush's "plan" would decrease that number by
about 2.5 million. Kerry's plan would decrease that number by about 27
million (not enough, but good progress). While Kerry's plan isn't
cheap, it would cover ALL children. I think that's the least we can do
for our citizens.





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Get off it and go read the CDC reports for the last two weeks....vaccine ahs
been made avaialbe...in the millions of doses and has been allocated for
those who trult NEED it....both of our facilities have been immunized, as
have all the toher geriatric facilities in this area...and the county has
been offering vaccine at the local clinics as long as you fit the parameters
of NEED...problem is, many people think they NEED it when they do not....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
Jon,

I gave an example of how I am being ripped off. Now let me give an
example of "Life in the Good Ole US of A" I just had my Flu Shot
Thursday, at my doctor's office, free of charge because of my age and
the drugs I take, which are immune suppressants including Mestinon. Your
government has given us top priority. That government Admin. by
G.W.Bush.

Nice example. Glad you got your shot. Unfortunately, there are lots of
people in your situation that may not be able to get one free or
otherwise. Bush failed to think ahead (nothing new), and as a result,
some seniors have to wait in long lines. One woman died in line.

We spend something like 15% of GDP on healthcare in the US, but we
don't cover 41 million. Bush's "plan" would decrease that number by
about 2.5 million. Kerry's plan would decrease that number by about 27
million (not enough, but good progress). While Kerry's plan isn't
cheap, it would cover ALL children. I think that's the least we can do
for our citizens.





--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."