Right for once. It's presently in my garage being refinished. You do know
what a garage is don't you? Even though you don't have one.

I own and rent out a three story house in Brooklyn, dummy! My MG is kept in the
garage there and there is also a garage here in the building for our two cars.
You lose AGAIN!!!

RB

I guess the fact that more than half the worlds charter fleet uses ice makes
them non cruisers.

Charter fleet????
Bwahahahahahahaha!

RB

Steel handholds integrated with virtually every bit of furniture including
tables, sink, dinette and so on!? - what?

Never seen that. It must be attractive.

It's really nicely done. A well liked feature of many 80's C&Cs. You don't know
about it because you don't know boats.

RB

So how many Express 30s have you shown?


None and I've only ever seen TWO in 10 years. The captain of the J30 I sail
often joked (after seeing one) that he was glad of a boat uglier than his 30!

RB

Speaking of which, hadn't the jackass claimed he already had Alien
sold? Course he claimed to own a new boat already. Oh what a tangled
web.

SV




"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Thus the subject header.

ROFLMAO .............. Good observation.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

"Michael" wrote in message

Damn shame MP. My Beemer days ended when three idiots put me in the
hospital three times in one year. Nothing to do with the bike just got
disgusted over idito drivers who couldn't see bright yellow etc. even if
they bothered to look. The culprits, all whom statedthey 'didn't see me?
Fell into three categories 1) too damn old to be driving 2) too young
and
too busy fiddling with make up 3) John Rocker's favorite an oriental with
a
cellphone. Come to think of the exact same categories that caused most of
the problems when I was flagging traffic.

I don't plan to quit riding, but I do watch out for 1) gray hair, 2) young,
farding (applying makeup) women, and 3) ANYONE with a cell phone glued to
his/her ear. Farmers in old beater pickups are another stay-clear item.
I've been riding for roughly 40 years with no accidents outside of a
racetrack. Guess I'm just paranoid enough to stay alive.

Sorry to hear about your accidents. I had three auto accidents--none my
fault--which made me think twice about riding my bike for a while. I don't
blame you a bit for your decision.

Max

Nutsy,

You may know of long distance sailors but I dought very much that they
know of you.
Those Long distance delivery guys are always looking for crew to sail
with them. Experienced deep water sailors that will sail any or all
parts of the trip. Usually who will sail for free. That way the skipper
can keep more of the fee.

If you knew any of them you would have had plenty of offshore time by
now

Ole Thom

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Hmmm...was I lying? Scotty Potti will **** a giant squid when he sees our
new
boat!

So, are you going to tell us what it is, or just hope like hell that you can
find/afford the boat you want IF you ever get Alien sold?

Max

Yeah Nutsy,

Catalina survived. So did Hunter, and McGergor. Are you saying they're
better boat than your C&C?

OT

Hmmm...was I lying? Scotty Potti will **** a giant squid when he sees our
new
boat!.

No he won't. He'll be out sailing.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Sorry, Loco. You just keep LOSING!.

Tee hee ........ right. I took a very comfy very early retirement deal last
January and your still trying to find yourself performing odd jobs. I'm lost
alright.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

None and I've only ever seen TWO in 10 years..

But you said everyone you talked to said they were ugly as if you were showing
them weekly. Then you said no one you talked to has ever seen one. Then you
said ............................
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

It's really nicely done. A well liked feature of many 80's C&Cs.

I've seen plenty of C&Cs and I've never seen a pile of steel handholds bolted
to everything down below. And by the way your tub is a seventies design.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

I own and rent out a three story house in Brooklyn

I'd keep that to myself.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

I've seen plenty of C&Cs and I've never seen a pile of steel handholds bolted
to everything down below.

Like I said, you don't know boats. The feature appears on the 32, 33, 37, 38
from the mid 80s.

RB

I own and rent out a three story house in Brooklyn

I'd keep that to myself.


Why? It's worth more than your home and it's paid for.

RB

Catalina survived. So did Hunter, and McGergor. Are you saying they're
better boat than your C&C?


Cataline and Hunter were tuned into making boats that people wanted. Companies
like C&C and Express failed to do the same. Still, it was a massive fire that
finished C&C for good. Express failed outright because the boats were just not
that appealing.

RB

None and I've only ever seen TWO in 10 years..

But you said everyone you talked to said they were ugly as if you were showing
them weekly.

Everyone who's seen one did say they were ugly. Most folks haven't even heard
of the company. Can you see that these two facts are independent?
Guess not.

RB

I've seen plenty of C&Cs and I've never seen a pile of steel handholds bolted
to everything down below.


Let's show everyone that you know little about boats! See pic below: Note the
handholds at the corners of the table, the hutch next to radar, even aft built
into the hanging locker. They are also at the galley.
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/int23.jpg
And here are the same ones aboard a C&C 37!!!
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/7/8/5/1178559_3.jpg
And on a 38...
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/4/1/3/1141306_2.jpg
Oops!!! On the C&C 35!!!
http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/2/9/8/3/1298389_6.jpg

Yeah, Loco. You REALLY know your C&Cs!!!! Exposed Idiot!!! HAHAHA!

RB

Massive fire....Bwaaahahahahahahaahahahahhaaaa!
So easy to do with a hot resin and nothing suspicious.


Nice try, Ozzy, but you might try knowing what you're talking about from time
to time. C&C didn't recover even half of the insurance and they did try to
restart.
Here are the facts..

In 1989, Brian was forced out of C&C by the main share holder of the limited
partnership and replaced by Bob Stubing. Bob’s intial thinking was to close
the company down, but after becoming enamored with the industry, he tried to
keep it going. Unfortunately, by the middle of 1990, bank pressures forced the
close of C&C.

After 14 months, C&C was finally sold to Anthony Koo and Frank Chow of Wa Kwang
Shipping, which was at one time the fifth largest shipping company in the
world. The new company, C&C Yachts International, started out with grand plans.
In no time, they had production of a 51 and an IMS 45, including an endorsement
from Dennis Conner. By 1994, things had turned around so much that the plant
had trouble keeping up with sales. In addition, C&C Yachts International
acquired SR sailboats of Florida, a line of sport boats that proved to be
fierce competitors in racing.

In April of 1994, C&C was devastated by a fire that destroyed 40 molds, three
51 boats that were in production, the factory, the boat building records,
plans, etc. They tried to recover, but ultimately failed. Insurance only paid a
portion of the total loss, and C&C tried to resume production, only to find the
recovery cost was too much and closed the factory in August 1996.

RB

RB

Yep, a good fire is a great way to get rid of obsolete moulds or ones
that are damaged and show star crazing in the finished boat.


You mean obsolete molds like the new ones that burned?
Good one, Ozzy. Top of the class....right along with Loco.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:
Where do you get this stuff???? Were you at
boat shows at the time interviewing people?

Nope, but I broker boats

Do you require a licence to hold yourself out as a Broker in the US, how about surveyers, must they be licenced?

Cheers
Marty

Yep, even new mould can be obsolete designs.
Just how many hulls do you think you can pull out of each mould before
it no longer produces a good finish?


NEW hull molds burned. The boats that came out of them are still commanding
heavy prices today and compete well with the new C&Cs. But they were obsolete,
right. Boats like the mid 90's 36XL might have kept C&C alive.
Now you're at the HEAD of the class!

RB

Do you require a licence to hold yourself out as a Broker in the US, how about
surveyers, must they be licenced?


Anyone can sell boats. But to survey for insurance companies requires
affiliation with one of several surveyor orgs. Even then only certain groups
are accepted by BoatUS, while Travelers Yacht Insurance has different criteria.
Most insurance surveyors lack the detailed knowledge to fully and properly
survey sailboats and many avoid sailboats altogether. There's a bunch of guys
running around with moitsure meters and Costco tools calling themselves
surveyors. Pretty common. My good friend only does sailboats and conducts brand
specific surveys after researching a models. Very nice.

RB

last i looked at the ads, there was an express for sale up at Mcmichaels
recently
don't know if its still there
gf.
(just fuel for the fire :))


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
None and I've only ever seen TWO in 10 years..

But you said everyone you talked to said they were ugly as if you were
showing
them weekly.

Everyone who's seen one did say they were ugly. Most folks haven't even
heard
of the company. Can you see that these two facts are independent?
Guess not.

RB

last i looked at the ads, there was an express for sale up at Mcmichaels
recently
don't know if its still there

Yup, it sold for 19K and was clean. They were originally asking 26K or so.

RB

last i looked at the ads, there was an express for sale up at Mcmichaels
recently
don't know if its still there

Yup, it sold for 19K and was clean. They were originally asking 26K or so.

Actually, that was a year ago, so maybe they had another one??

RB

Here's one;
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...p?currency=USD
&units=Feet&checked_boats=1291230&slim=quick&

Scotty


"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
last i looked at the ads, there was an express for sale up at
Mcmichaels
recently
don't know if its still there
gf.
(just fuel for the fire :))


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
None and I've only ever seen TWO in 10 years..

But you said everyone you talked to said they were ugly as if you
were
showing
them weekly.

Everyone who's seen one did say they were ugly. Most folks haven't
even
heard
of the company. Can you see that these two facts are independent?
Guess not.

RB

Why? It's worth more than your home and it's paid for..

Typical Boob big mouth comment.
1. You don't know what my home is worth.
2. It's paid for.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Maybe that boat has all those hanholds because it's always doing roundups and
broaching due to it's poor design.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Everyone who's seen one did say they were ugly. Most folks haven't even
heard
of the company. Can you see that these two facts are independent?

Yes I can. If most folks haven't seen one that leaves around 2 people who
thought they were ugly. You and one of the streetpeople babes you pick up on
42nd street.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

last i looked at the ads, there was an express for sale up at Mcmichaels
recently
don't know if its still there.

Steve just sold his Express 30 to a guy from New York who said he was acting as
a purchasing agent for a guy named Robert who presently owns a C&C. I guess
that's the faster boat the Boob was talking about.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Maybe that boat has all those hanholds because it's always doing roundups and
broaching due to it's poor design.

Loco knows his boats. Now, in addition to being aboard "plenty" of C&C's and
not seeing the handholds, he now says they sail badly!!!!

Bwahahahaaha! Good move, Loco!

RB

Typical Boob big mouth comment.
1. You don't know what my home is worth.
2. It's paid for.

No one said it wasn't paid for. Luckily I didn't have to pay for mine at all
and it's certainly worth more than yours. It also generates 2700.00 per month
net.
You JUST KEEP LOSING!

RB

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
.
...
Maybe that boat has all those hanholds because
it's always
broaching .

Yeah, at the dock when ****Head steps aboard.

Here's one;
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...p?currency=USD
&units=Feet&checked_boats=1291230&slim=quick&

Yeah and for the price of a 35!!!

RB

Anyone can sell boats.

The first true statement from this dimwit in months.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Yeah, at the dock when ****Head steps aboard.


Your wife stopped sailing with us, but we NEVER called her ****head. Maybe you
should follow suit?

RB

Steve just sold his Express 30 to a guy from New York who said he was acting as
a purchasing agent for a guy named Robert who presently owns a C&C.

Yeah, we were hoping for a marginally faster, cramped cruiser with ugly lines
and poor resale value! Depress 30 wins the day!

RB

Loco's new math. Most = 2???

LOL...................... Maybe you should go back to school. I said
population less most = 2. What a dufas.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"