Real Boat Question
 

Anyone here familiar with the C&C 37 and C&C 40 from the mid 80s. They are both
on the C&C hit list as boats that scored. I see the prices are quite close.
Anyone sail either and have some feedback. I already spoke to owners...looking
for additional info.

RB

In article ,
Bobsprit wrote:

Anyone here familiar with the C&C 37 and C&C 40 from the mid 80s. They are both
on the C&C hit list as boats that scored. I see the prices are quite close.
Anyone sail either and have some feedback. I already spoke to owners...looking
for additional info.

Sailed both out here, although not in a couple of years. I believe
they were early 80s boats. Very solidly built. Took being trashed by
the local charterers pretty well. They were quite stiff and seakindly.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

I thought you already had a locked up deal on a 34+? Did that one fall through?
It sounded pretty good.

The deal on the 34+ is still pending, but the owner is now thinking he wants to
hold on to her for two more seasons. I'll wait one more season with Alien, but
after that we want a bigger boat. The 37 and 40 seem like good fun boats that
will do well for us. The 40 may be a bit too much boat while the 37 seems like
a more comfortable faster version of the 32. We're just lining up the options
for now, but Alien will be sold next summer for sure.
I'm open to suggestions, but the boat must have bunks for my height.

RB

They're both notorious for the C&C "smile"....their keels separate from the
hull.....but they are fast and sail well....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bobsprit wrote:

Anyone here familiar with the C&C 37 and C&C 40 from the mid 80s. They
are both
on the C&C hit list as boats that scored. I see the prices are quite
close.
Anyone sail either and have some feedback. I already spoke to
owners...looking
for additional info.

Sailed both out here, although not in a couple of years. I believe
they were early 80s boats. Very solidly built. Took being trashed by
the local charterers pretty well. They were quite stiff and seakindly.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Hey Nutsy,

Weren't you supposed to be taking possession of a larger C&C this Fall?
I thought that deal was signed and sealed? What happened to the Two boat
ownership you were spouting off about?

Tell me a story,-tell me the story?


Ole Thom

Well, I've sailed a bunch of C&Cs of that era... all different sizes
and I've never see that happen or heard of it. I suppose it's
possible.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
They're both notorious for the C&C "smile"....their keels separate from the
hull.....but they are fast and sail well....

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Weren't you supposed to be taking possession of a larger C&C this Fall?
I thought that deal was signed and sealed? What happened to the Two boat
ownership you were spouting off about?

Thom, I already post this info.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Weren't you supposed to be taking possession of a larger C&C this
Fall?
I thought that deal was signed and sealed? What happened to the Two
boat
ownership you were spouting off about?

Thom, I already ate crow with this info.

RB

wrote
It's quite common, but usually just cosmetic. It's not limited to
just C&C's
either. Catalina owners, for one example, call it the Catalina
Smile.

Seidelmanns don't have that problem.

Scotty

ownership you were spouting off about?

Thom, I already ate crow with this info.

Our new boat will probably send Scotty and Loco off a roof together, arm n'
arm!
Alien is better boat anyway, but this vessel will just drive them NUTS!
I can't wait!

For BB
Current choices: C&C 35 mid 80's, C&C 40 and 37 mid 80's. We've checked out the
40 as well as the aft cabin version (hard to find), but the 35 as bunks near 7
feet and the 37 may be a solid choice down the middle. I see all have really
good performance and many have been nicely refurbished. The 34/36+ is still in
the works, but I don't think we want to be on the 32 for two more seasons.


RB

"Bobsprit" wrote
but I don't think we want to be on the 32 for two more seasons.

That's a shame. I really like *my* boat.

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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either. Catalina owners, for one example, call it the Catalina
Smile.

Seidelmanns don't have that problem.


They also don't have some blister problems experienced by Valiants
and early
80's Bristols


Yes, another good point for Seidelmann.

Scotty

but I don't think we want to be on the 32 for two more seasons.

That's a shame. I really like *my* boat.


Read: "Scotty Potti's stuck with the POS!"
We're a sailing family with a new member. Bigger boats are coming! Sorry Scotty
Potti!

RB

Actually, as of December 15th, we will have closed the deal via a
contract,
pending a final payment. She'll be dry through that time. The only bad
part is
we'll pay storage on the second boat, but can't use her.
We won't take the boat until 2005 of course, but that's when Suzanne
is done
with school. The only change is that we were supposed to wait an extra
year
before going bigger, but the deal is just too good, just like the 32.

RB



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I thought you already had a locked up deal on a 34+? Did that one
fall through?
It sounded pretty good.

The deal on the 34+ is still pending, but the owner is now thinking
he wants to
hold on to her for two more seasons. I'll wait one more season with
Alien, but
after that we want a bigger boat. The 37 and 40 seem like good fun
boats that
will do well for us. The 40 may be a bit too much boat while the 37
seems like
a more comfortable faster version of the 32. We're just lining up
the options
for now, but Alien will be sold next summer for sure.
I'm open to suggestions, but the boat must have bunks for my height.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote

Ahhhh yes! By contract, the 34XL is now mine. Still, she'll be
registered in my
father's name!

RB

Does this mean the Baltic's out, too?


''That's a good question! I guess it's for the money and independence.
My Baltic
will follow the 34XL for certain.''

RB










"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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but I don't think we want to be on the 32 for two more seasons.

That's a shame. I really like *my* boat.


Read: "Scotty Potti's stuck with the POS!"
We're a sailing family with a new member. Bigger boats are coming!
Sorry Scotty
Potti!

RB

I guess Billy *will* get over it now?


"Bobsprit" wrote ...

Anyway, Billy Jane is never going to get over the fact that I own a
better boat
and now I've done the deal for the 34XL, a boat he could only dream
of.

RB

Actually, as of December 15th, we will have closed the deal via a
contract,


Poor Scotty Potti's gonna be pretty mad soon!

RB

Either way, you're going to show yourself for the big fat losing liar
that you are.

Go ahead, hang yourself........................again.

Scotty


I guess Billy *will* get over it now?


"Bobsprit" wrote ...


This is gonna be better than the Catalina 30 that I lied about!

RB

Go ahead, hang yourself........................again.


Yep...I'll sure be "hanging" aboard my new boat!!!! Dance Scotty Potti!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Either way, you're going to show yourself for the big fat losing liar
that you are.

Go ahead, hang yourself........................again.

Scotty


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Go ahead, hang yourself........................again.


Yep...I'll sure be "hanging" aboard my new boat!!!! Dance Scotty
Potti!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Go ahead, hang yourself........................again.


What a sad jealous sad sack Scotty Potti is!!! But he's "happy" with his boat,
right???

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote


What a sad jealous sad sack Scotty is!!! But he's "happy" with
his boat, I don't get it ??

RB

Nutsy,

Not what you said a year ago. You said you were the ower of 2 boats and
the storage fees was your obligation?

Nutsy, ils been a bad week for you. hasn't it? You were busted on the
wind speed by the guy you were all over, for a wind estimate a lot
closer than yours
You were busted on your stern line.parting.
You were busted on your "Docking lines" even after you had pictures of
your docking line with shackles on the cleat.
and now, you've busted yourself about dual ownerships of sail boats

Going to take an awful lot of HONESTY to get anyone to take you serious
from now on

I hang my head in shame;--- for you, my friend and for your newborn, my
namesake.

Ole Thom

Not what you said a year ago. You said you were the ower of 2 boats and
the storage fees was your obligation?

The owner wants out if I can't wait the xtra season. He's a friend and I'm not
about to force him.
Sorry, Thom. Meanwhile, we're still talking it over. Also: Thomas is changing
things and an even larger boat, like the C&C 40 looks even more attractive.

RB

You were busted on your stern line.parting.


How so?

RB

You were busted on your "Docking lines" even after you had pictures of
your docking line with shackles on the cleat.


Nope, you all got busted and I even offered a bet for anyone who doubted it. No
one dared call me on that bet.
Still want to bet, Thom? Say the word.

RB

What a sad jealous sad sack Scotty is!!! But he's "happy" with
his boat, I don't get it ??


Yup. True enough, except it aint!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Having a line part in moderate weather is pretty embarrassing. I've only seen a
few lines go in less than hurricane conditions - its was always a case of
extreme neglect. You weren't even able to give an explanation!



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You were busted on your stern line.parting.


How so?

RB

You weren't even able to give an explanation!


Sure I did. You just weren't listening.
1) There were strong winds that night
2) I added a safety line.
Care to explain how I neglected the vessel when I backed up the line and
prevented any damage?
Hmmmm????

Really, Jeff!!!!

RB

Perhaps I should rephrase that. Having a line part in moderate weather is a
sign of total incompetence.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Having a line part in moderate weather is pretty embarrassing.


Only YOU would be embarassed by a line breaking. you need help!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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You weren't even able to give an explanation!


Sure I did. You just weren't listening.
1) There were strong winds that night

First you said gusting to 40. Then you said gusting to 35. A nearby station
report a gust only to 24. In any case, this is not enough wind to part a proper
line, properly setup.


2) I added a safety line.
Care to explain how I neglected the vessel when I backed up the line and
prevented any damage?
Hmmmm????

Care to explain how a line parted after you doubled up??? It sure sounds like
you don't know how to setup docklines.

Really, Bob!!!

Perhaps I should rephrase that. Having a line part in moderate weather is a
sign of total incompetence.


You have no idea what the sea state was, Jeff. And THAT is a sign of total
idiocy. NOAA reported 35kn+ that night.
And STILL I backed up all of my lines to prevent a problem. NO DAMAGE.
Sorry, Jeff....you're still losing!

RB

In any case, this is not enough wind to part a proper
line, properly setup.

The line was setup correctly, showed no chafe and appeared fine. But lines can
NEVER part unexpectedly. NEVER, NEVER, so says Jeff!!!!

Hahahahahaha!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You weren't even able to give an explanation!


Sure I did. You just weren't listening.
1) There were strong winds that night (10-15kts)
2) I added a 2nd clothes line.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
What a sad jealous sad sack Scotty is!!! But he's "happy" with
his boat, I don't get it ??


Yup. True enough, I really don't get it!



And you never will.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to
deceive.........


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Hey Nutsy,

Weren't you supposed to be taking possession of a larger C&C this
Fall?
I thought that deal was signed and sealed? What happened to the Two
boat
ownership you were spouting off about?

Tell me a story,-tell me the story?


Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote ...
Nutsy,

Not what you said a year ago. You said you were the ower of 2 boats
and
the storage fees was your obligation?

He lied.


Nutsy, ils been a bad week for you. hasn't it? You were busted on
the
wind speed by the guy you were all over, for a wind estimate a lot
closer than yours

He lied,



You were busted on your stern line.parting.

He's cheap.


You were busted on your "Docking lines" even after you had pictures
of
your docking line with shackles on the cleat.

He's stupid.


and now, you've busted yourself about dual ownerships of sail boats

He lies.


Going to take an awful lot of HONESTY to get anyone to take you
serious
from now on


It's about time you realized that.


I hang my head in shame;--- for you, my friend and for your newborn,
my
namesake.

Pity, eh?

Nutsy,

Shut the hell up!! You're making an Ass of yourself even more, with
your half ass defensive statements.

You said your line parted at the snubber. First BS. Any sailor that has
ever seen a line go knows that the strongest section of the line is the
middle. Any sailor who ever tied a knot or made a splice knows that
created a weakness; at that point!!! Wear doesn't happen in the middle
of the run, it happens at the ends. This is the location of the weaker
part of the line and where the wear takes place. This is where a line
brakes.

Think like a sailor once in awhile and not a Troller.

Also; A Lie is not a troll, it is still a Lie when it is proven a lie.
It is no longer a troll.

Check out Gilly's trols He knows how to troll.

Ole Thom

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to
deceive.........


Oh what a idiot Scotty Potti remains when I troll his puny brains!

Bwahahahaha!

RB