Scot,

That trip of Nutsy to "No Where" was another LIE!! He still has yet to
spend a night of shore, out of sight of land.

He should be an expert on docking lines but he isn't.

Jeff, Nutsy's ally is about to take a trip off shore (so he says) Be
ready for that problem of Gulf Stream drift while heading South (G) He
is heading (so he claims) to the BVI and hasn't learned yet how the
avoid the north flowing GS

Ole Thom

Wonder if he'll post a pic of the mystery line?

SV


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Can't make the LIE go down, can you Nutsy?

How many lines parted on the boats that didn't double up :^) I know
if
there were any, you be shouting into the wind for all to hear.

Sorry Nutsy, you're so busy defending you obvious LIE with other
dumb
statements and lies that you forgot the obivious LIE about other
failures.

Shut The Hell Up!!!

Ole Thom

Nutsy,

I'm saying you're stern line never busted in your slip!!! You LIED!!!
Enough said; Check and your move.

Ole Thom

In this thread? Let's see - you had a line part inexplicably; you claim you've
seen it happen a number of times; you claimed the wind gusted to over 40, than
over 35, but the most that was reported in your area was 25.

It sure seems like your posts are one inexplicable thing after another.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I don't think its for me to explain why so many
"inexplicable" things happen to you, booby.


So many? Golly, I hope you're not lying again. Let's see you list these
inexplicable things...

RB

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scot,

That trip of Nutsy to "No Where" was another LIE!! He still has yet
to
spend a night of shore, out of sight of land.


YUP, and he also bragged about doing a Round Long Island race, which
he never did either.



Jeff, Nutsy's ally is about to take a trip off shore (so he says) Be
ready for that problem of Gulf Stream drift while heading South (G)
He
is heading (so he claims) to the BVI and hasn't learned yet how the
avoid the north flowing GS


I believe Jax wants to crew on some one elses boat.

Scotty

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
to reduce stress by doubling lines i think you would need to make sure they
are working completely together.

Of course, exactly doubling a line means feeding through the same chocks and to
the same cleats. I'm not sure that actually doubles the securty. I prefer to
add lines to different points that handle the same force but in a slightly
different way. For example, an after bow spring prevents the boat from moving
forward. Adding an after midship spring does the same thing, but uses different
cleats.


otherwise if it is just twice as many lines.----one will work while the
other is slack. if one goes south, then the other takes the load.

The lines that take the force from a given direction should all be tensioned
equally.

i have yet to figure out how to do this
any ideas?
admitting ignorance here.

Unfortunately, each situation is different.
But a few guidelines:

Use nylon.
Use the highest quality lines.
Don't "oversize," that just reduces stretch.
Have the lines led as far as possible. Avoid short breast lines for small
boats.
Double up with alternate attachment points.
Allow the boat to move up and down with the waves, but avoid the shock loads of
moving fore and aft.
And, as my mentor always said, "Remember, Chafe is the Invisible Enemy!"

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:45:08 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
to reduce stress by doubling lines i think you would need to make sure they
are working completely together.

Of course, exactly doubling a line means feeding through the same chocks and to
the same cleats. I'm not sure that actually doubles the securty. I prefer to
add lines to different points that handle the same force but in a slightly
different way. For example, an after bow spring prevents the boat from moving
forward. Adding an after midship spring does the same thing, but uses different
cleats.


otherwise if it is just twice as many lines.----one will work while the
other is slack. if one goes south, then the other takes the load.

The lines that take the force from a given direction should all be tensioned
equally.

i have yet to figure out how to do this
any ideas?
admitting ignorance here.

Unfortunately, each situation is different.
But a few guidelines:

Use nylon.
Use the highest quality lines.
Don't "oversize," that just reduces stretch.
Have the lines led as far as possible. Avoid short breast lines for small
boats.
Double up with alternate attachment points.
Allow the boat to move up and down with the waves, but avoid the shock loads of
moving fore and aft.
And, as my mentor always said, "Remember, Chafe is the Invisible Enemy!"


One thing that I do is to keep my spring lines taut to my midship
cleats and allow my bow and stern lines to be relatively slack. The
boat seems to be able to ride out almost any conditions in the slip
with a minimum of jerking and hobby horsing.

Sorry Nutsy, you're so busy defending you obvious LIE


I love Thom's logic. Everyone knows it's a LIE and yet everyone is trying so
hard to point out and argue the specifics of the LIE.
Fine, my line didn't break. But the actual sailing dialogue generated is better
than talk about the stupid Kerry/Bush threads.
Thom, you should be thanking me...again.

RB

I'm saying you're stern line never busted in your slip!!! You LIED!!!
Enough said; Check and your move.

Thom, my boat wasn't even in the water. I had her hauled so new thru-hulls
could be installed. I got some new electronics after the robbery. She went back
in this morning. I'll be posting pics of the new stuff when it's all set up
properly.
Happy now?

RB

In this thread? Let's see - you had a line part inexplicably; you claim you've
seen it happen a number of times; you claimed the wind gusted to over 40, than
over 35, but the most that was reported in your area was 25.

That's just ONE inexplicable item. You can call me a liar on the rest, but
that's about it.
You lose again, Jeff...and you lied AGAIN.

RB

Ohhhhhhhhh what a tangled web.....


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm saying you're stern line never busted in your slip!!! You
LIED!!!
Enough said; Check and your move.

Thom, my boat wasn't even in the water. I had her hauled so new
thru-hulls
could be installed. I got some new electronics after the robbery.
She went back
in this morning. I'll be posting pics of the new stuff when it's all
set up
properly.
Happy now?

RB

It sure seems like your posts are one inexplicable thing after another.


Oh, now it "seems" that way. A while ago it WAS that way.
Jeff lied AGAIN.
Hint for Jeff: Learn a bit more about English before attempting to debate an
issue. You look to be quite the fool!

RB

Two days! Two whole days? at sea?......in a 32'er.......damn bob, you
da man!


Then why did you call it a "long trip?" I know it's just two daysails sewn
together, but you called it "long."

RB

Do you have an EPIRB, a life raft and a well stocked ditch kit?
How much ice will you need to last two whole days?


Sure I have an EPIRB. No liferaft. We don't need ice. Alien has a fridge and
can make ice.

RB

Scotty Potti wrote....

Ohhhhhhhhh what a tangled web I'm caught in AGAIN

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Two days! Two whole days? at sea?......in a 32'er.......damn bob,
you
da man!


Then why did you call it a "long trip?"

I didn't.

I know it's just two daysails sewn
together, but you called it "long."

NO, I didn't.


S

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Do you have an EPIRB, a life raft and a well stocked ditch kit?
How much ice will you need to last two whole days?


Sure I have an EPIRB. No liferaft. We don't need ice. Alien has a
fridge and
can make ice.

that's nice, but you wrote,''We're sailing a Galaxy 32''.

Scotty

Scotty wrote earlier...

Shouldn't you be getting ready for your 'big trip'?

Please explain how a two day trip with only a small portion done at night
qualifies as a "big trip?"

RB

GF,

Equal tension isn't really that hard. When setting the lines, move the
boat to release the tension. All lines should go slack together. When
restoring tension all slack should be taken up together. Now, this
doesn't mean they are set properly. Wind and tide will vary the
direction of the load and adjustments may have to be made to compensate.
That is why lines are use, because of their ability to stretch and
equilize the load

Ole Thom

Sure I have an EPIRB. No liferaft. We don't need ice. Alien has a
fridge and
can make ice.

that's nice, but you wrote,''We're sailing a Galaxy 32''.


Two boats, 7 people, Scotty. Try to keep up.

RB

clear answer
thanks thom

truth is in 6 years i've owned my boat i rarely have tied up at a dock for
any length of time ususally once at the begining of the season somewhere in
the middle , and if i'm landing in another port.
boat stays on a mooring or an anchor vast majority of the time.

thanks to all those that answered.

gf.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
GF,

Equal tension isn't really that hard. When setting the lines, move the
boat to release the tension. All lines should go slack together. When
restoring tension all slack should be taken up together. Now, this
doesn't mean they are set properly. Wind and tide will vary the
direction of the load and adjustments may have to be made to compensate.
That is why lines are use, because of their ability to stretch and
equilize the load

Ole Thom

Right boobie. You prove yourself to be incompetent and your defense is that
you were lying. And you're calling me a fool???



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It sure seems like your posts are one inexplicable thing after another.


Oh, now it "seems" that way. A while ago it WAS that way.
Jeff lied AGAIN.
Hint for Jeff: Learn a bit more about English before attempting to debate an
issue. You look to be quite the fool!

RB

Why is that? Every trip he's talked about has been on other people's boats, not
his. Every trip he's made has been with full electronics, and he's still been
lost, and had to call the Coast Guard. In his "Gulf Stream" episode he still
hasn't been able to identify where they were and which buoy he was looking for.
He was probably hanging over the rail or cleaning his pants.

When I started doing offshore trips it was in wooden boats with no gps, loran,
radar, of even vhf. The Ray Jeff RDF was considered hi tech. Jaxie likes to
rag me because the last few years I've been doing family sailing, and staying
closer to shore. Jaxie had a family once, but his wife left him because she was
terrified to sail with him. or so he claims.

A clearly, if you think the lines part spontaneously, for no reason at all, then
you're a complete putz!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I guess it really hurts bad when you get trounced, eh jaxie?


Jeff, I'm sorry to say that Jax really does take offshore trips. Since he's
also alive and not the subject of any lost at sea movies it's a fair
assumption
that he knows more than you. Based on you idiotic comments about lines and
breaking limits I'm certain of it!

RB

And you're calling me a fool???


Jeff, did you not see the pic of my boat on the hard?
Yes, you are a fool.

RB

Your posts outnumbered mine by about 5 to 1. Looks like you've been dangling
on my hook, booby.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And you're calling me a fool???


Jeff, did you not see the pic of my boat on the hard?
Yes, you are a fool.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote

Jeff, did you not see the pic of my boat on the hard?
Yes, I are a fool.

and a liar as well.

Jeff, did you not see the pic of my boat on the hard?
Yes, I are a fool.

and a liar as well.


Yep, Jeff is a fool and a Liar.
Thanks, Scotty Potti!

RB

Our new boat will probably send Scotty and Loco off a roof together, arm
n'
arm!.

You really do live in your own little world. I worry more about if I'm going
to get dog crap in my lawn tractor tires that what your next boat will be.
No matter what your boating platform is you will still go home to your
undersized but overpriced N.Y. POS walkup apartment. I'll continue to daysail
on my little 30 footer and go home to my fabulous home in the country.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

I go home to a house on a lake upon which I sail frequently. I also
have my boat in Sausalito, which is pretty damn nice.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Our new boat will probably send Scotty and Loco off a roof
together, arm
n'
arm!.

You really do live in your own little world. I worry more about if I'm
going
to get dog crap in my lawn tractor tires that what your next boat will be.
No matter what your boating platform is you will still go home to your
undersized but overpriced N.Y. POS walkup apartment. I'll continue to
daysail
on my little 30 footer and go home to my fabulous home in the country.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

I also
have my boat in Sausalito, which is pretty damn nice..

I was there once. I thought it was nice.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

It's gotten better somewhat recently. The authorities are really trying
to get rid of the derelict boats. It's usually protected from the fog,
even if SF is socked in, and the wind is quite good.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
I also
have my boat in Sausalito, which is pretty damn nice..

I was there once. I thought it was nice.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

No matter what your boating platform is you will still go home to your
undersized but overpriced N.Y. POS walkup apartment.

There is an elevator. There's also two bedrooms, two baths, full kitchen,
dining room and living room. When we sell it will go for three times what your
"house" is worth. It takes 15 minutes on average to get to the boat which also
is worth more than your unkown tub!!!

RB

There's also two bedrooms, two baths, full kitchen, dining room and living
room.

Wow!

When we sell it will go for three times what your \house" is worth.

Another shoot from the hip statement from the town clown. Boob you don't
know what my house is worth.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

People with a few miles of him can't
afford a meal and he has a YACHT, but that never occurs to him.

A profound statement coming from the Putz New Yorker who played on his
computer in the days following 9/11/2001.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

There's also two bedrooms, two baths, full kitchen, dining room and living
room.

Wow!

Yeah, I know! That's what people usually say when they see how big the place
is. It's unusual to get such a big apartment in NY unless you spend silly
amounts.

RB

Another shoot from the hip statement from the town clown. Boob you don't
know what my house is worth.

It aint worth what most apartments in NY are worth.

RB

A profound statement coming from the Putz New Yorker who played on his
computer in the days following 9/11/2001.


We drove there with cans of food. Did you?

RB

It aint worth what most apartments in NY are worth.

More shots from the hip. You don't know my home or my neighborhood.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Loco,

Nutsy just told you what your house is worth. 1/3 of what his is. In his
mind that's correct. Don't make make a ****ing contest out of it (g)

Ole Thom

It aint worth what most apartments in NY are worth.

More shots from the hip. You don't know my home or my neighborhood.

Yeah, is it as wealthy as Forest Hills and Kew Gardens where a small home
averages 800K and a 1 bedroom apartment is 275K???
When we sell we walk away with over 200K profit after just 3 years.
Think it over, dumbass!!!

Bwahahahahahaa!

RB