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Bobsprit October 2nd 04 01:14 AM

Yup. True enough, I really don't get it!



And you never will.

And nobody, but trailer trash like you wants to!

Bwahahahaha!


RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 01:15 AM

Think like a sailor once in awhile and not a Troller.


Why on earth would I do that, Thom?


RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 01:15 AM

Also; A Lie is not a troll, it is still a Lie when it is proven a lie.
It is no longer a troll.


Bwahahahahaaha! Yeah, keep telling yourself that, Thom!

RB

Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 02:34 AM


"Bobsprit" wrote ...
Think like a sailor once in awhile


Why on earth would I do that, Thom?



pretty much sums it up, I'd say.

Scotty



Bobsprit October 2nd 04 02:41 AM

BUBBLES for PRESIDENT!!!!

No yer talking!


RB

Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 02:48 AM

That's right booby, they don't. I've never heard or seen a line part for no
reason. 35 knots (so you claim) is not anything that should part a properly
setup line in a few hours. And to have no explanation? That's absurd!

But maybe my experience is a bit limited. Is there anyone else out there that
can tell us of a line spontaneously parting?



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
In any case, this is not enough wind to part a proper
line, properly setup.

The line was setup correctly, showed no chafe and appeared fine. But lines can
NEVER part unexpectedly. NEVER, NEVER, so says Jeff!!!!

Hahahahahaha!

RB




Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 02:55 AM


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
That's right booby, they don't. I've never heard or seen a line

part for no
reason. 35 knots (so you claim) is not anything that should part a

properly
setup line in a few hours. And to have no explanation? That's

absurd!

If that were the case, there'd be a few thousand boats drifting in the
bay.



But maybe my experience is a bit limited. Is there anyone else out

there that
can tell us of a line spontaneously parting?



Only when some fool lubber uses wash line to tie up.

SV




Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:25 AM

I've never heard or seen a line part for no
reason. 35 knots (so you claim) is not anything that should part a properly
setup line in a few hours. And to have no explanation? That's absurd!


Nope, properly set up lines NEVER give way. You're right, Jeff!!!! It can't
happen, though everyone I see doubles up on lines because...they're bored!!!
Jeff, I've seen lines go at the center. I've seen them chafe against eachother
and go FAST and I've seen them popped for no reason anyone could figure. I'm
sorry if you have so little experience. Want a pic of the line popped just
below the snubber with no chafe?
I doubt it will convince you.

You're just an idiot, Jeff. Truly. Now, dance a bit more for me!

RB

Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 03:39 AM

Now you're claiming the line parted with no chafe??? Good Grief! And you're
claiming it happens all the time at your marina??? Right Bob. Why is it that
no one else seems to have this problem?



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I've never heard or seen a line part for no
reason. 35 knots (so you claim) is not anything that should part a properly
setup line in a few hours. And to have no explanation? That's absurd!


Nope, properly set up lines NEVER give way. You're right, Jeff!!!! It can't
happen, though everyone I see doubles up on lines because...they're bored!!!
Jeff, I've seen lines go at the center. I've seen them chafe against eachother
and go FAST and I've seen them popped for no reason anyone could figure. I'm
sorry if you have so little experience. Want a pic of the line popped just
below the snubber with no chafe?
I doubt it will convince you.

You're just an idiot, Jeff. Truly. Now, dance a bit more for me!

RB




Horvath October 2nd 04 12:54 PM

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:51:09 -0700, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:


Also; A Lie is not a troll, it is still a Lie when it is proven a lie.
It is no longer a troll.

Check out Gilly's trols He knows how to troll.



Speaking of which. You never answered my questions about the digital
phone line.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 02:37 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Now you're claiming the line parted with no chafe??? Good Grief! And you're
claiming it happens all the time at your marina???


Please POST where I said It Happens all the time.


You the one who said you've seen this happen a number of times.

If it happened mid line
beneath the snubber, please explain to all of us what it was chafing against.


Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000 pounds. There's no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little blow. You've
even said that you expected the blow and checked the lines a few hours before.
If you doubled the lines that should have reduced the stress on any one line.

The only explanation for this is incompetance.

We all eagerly await your answer. I may even forward it to Yale.


I've given my explanation, what's yours?








Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 02:52 PM


"Jeff Morris" wrote

Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000 pounds.

There's no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little

blow. You've
even said that you expected the blow and checked the lines a few

hours before.
If you doubled the lines that should have reduced the stress on any

one line.


his idea of checking lines is to see if they weren't stolen , yet.


The only explanation for this is incompetence.



YUP, gross incompetence.




Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:20 PM

Please POST where I said It Happens all the time.

You the one who said you've seen this happen a number of times.


Please POST where I said it happens all the time. Please explain to EVERYONE
why people will double up on ground tackle when bad weather approaches. Please
tell us again how cordage NEVER fails inexplicably.

RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:23 PM

Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000 pounds. There's
no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little blow.


Jeff illustrates perfectly how a good sailor differs from a poor one.
I care little about "claims" about line strength. I buy good quality oversized
dockline, but I NEVER trust the label 100%. Who would? When bad weather is
forecast you double up on the lines. It's easy, low cost and a basic rule. It
doesn't exist because everyone's lines are chafing.
Keep trusting those labels, Jeff! I prefer to practice good seamanship and add
lines. This time it payed off.

RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:27 PM

You've
even said that you expected the blow and checked the lines a few hours before.
If you doubled the lines that should have reduced the stress on any one line.



What? Now you're telling us that you set key line and safety at the same
tension??? You DO know that the safety is to be set BEHIND the key line's
tension so that it's integrety is maintained rather than compromised at the
same time. A safety backs up the main line. It doesn't "share the load." I tend
to set mine so it catches the load at 75% extension of the main, which is high.
Good grief. Game over, folks. Lines NEVER fail!!!!

RB



Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:30 PM

We all eagerly await your answer. I may even forward it to Yale.

I've given my explanation, what's yours?

You have your explanation. The line failed with zero chaif and looked fine. You
just can't believe that a label could lie to you or a line could simply fail
under repeated loading.
On the other hand, sailors I know differ and add safety lines because they KNOW
you're wrong.
Play the odds with your boat if you like, but stay clear of mine. 10 years and
never any damage from tie ups. And you know we get a handful of nasty blows
through here every year.

Yale is still waiting!!!

R

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:30 PM

YUP, gross incompetence.


How is Scotty Potti posting with all that rain and lightening?

RB

JAXAshby October 2nd 04 03:31 PM

Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000 pounds. There's
no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little blow.


Jeff


*******IF******** jeffies had the degree in physics he claims he has you would
know full well that loads that high and higher can be generated in a blow.
jeffies is too stew ped to know what shock loads wind gusts and waves put on a
boat.

jeffies is now going to spend hours on end googling to find some article in
BoatsUS that states the incorrect.

do not try to discuss anything even remotely connected to sailing or science
with jeffies unless his wife is standing behind him as he sits at a keyboard.
he really is too dense for words, and he will spin circles for weeks trying to
"prove" he is not dummer than a rock.

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:40 PM

Hahahahahaha!

RB


Probably damaged during the burglary.


Actually, I never thought of that! No likely though.

RB

Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 03:40 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote


Jeff illustrates perfectly how a good sailor differs from a poor

one.

Yup, made you look the fool...........again.





Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 03:40 PM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Please POST where I said It Happens all the time.


You the one who said you've seen this happen a number of times.


Please POST where I said it happens all the time.


Sorry I used a figure of speak. Too much for your limited mind. So just how
often do you see good lines parting for no reason?

Please explain to EVERYONE
why people will double up on ground tackle when bad weather approaches.


Primarily because anchors can drag, and single anchors can be upset. Also,
boats draging down on you can chafe a line. Worrying about a line parting in
the middle is real low on the list.

Please
tell us again how cordage NEVER fails inexplicably.


"Never" might be too strong a word. But I will say that in 45 years, I've
never seen a line fail inexplicably. I've seen a few fail for good reason - its
was always chafe, and usually the incompetance of the person show set it up.

No one else seems to be jumping to your defence; no one has come forward to say
it does happen. Yet you claim to have seen it a number of times in your more
limited experiance. I don't think its for me to explain why so many
"inexplicable" things happen to you, booby.







Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 03:41 PM

Shouldn't you be getting ready for your 'big trip'?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
YUP, gross incompetence.


How is Scotty Potti posting with all that rain and lightening?

RB




Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 03:49 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote


Actually, I never thought



That's your problem



Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:49 PM

Shouldn't you be getting ready for your 'big trip'?

How do you know about my sailing trip next week? We're sailing a Galaxy 32 from
Oyster Bay to a place near Shark River for a furling install, then back to City
Island. Two days aint a "big trip" though maybe for Scotty Potti!

RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:50 PM

Please POST where I said it happens all the time.

Sorry I used a figure of speak.


No, you LIED. You claimed that I said happened ALL THE TIME. I never said
anything like that.
Figure of speech? Yeah, sure.
You're busted again.

RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:52 PM

Please
tell us again how cordage NEVER fails inexplicably.


"Never" might be too strong a word.

Exactly. And that's why I added a line and that's why my boat is fine today and
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Hoooh ahhhh!!! Check and mate!!!!

RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:52 PM

No one else seems to be jumping to your defence; no one has come forward to say
it does happen.

And no one is dumb enough to say it can't. Not even the companies that make the
line.
Check and mate AGAIN!

RB

Bobsprit October 2nd 04 03:53 PM

I don't think its for me to explain why so many
"inexplicable" things happen to you, booby.


So many? Golly, I hope you're not lying again. Let's see you list these
inexplicable things...

RB

JAXAshby October 2nd 04 03:57 PM

the intellectual creep jeffies -- dummer than a box of rocks -- posted
something below. I have highlighted all the important stuff.


Subject: Real Boat QuestionFrom:

Date:10/2/200410:40AMEasternD
"Bobsprit"bob

..com... Please POST where I said It Happens all the time. You the
onewho said you've seen this happen anumber of times. Please POST where I
said it happens all thetime.Sorry I used a figure of speak. Too much for
your limited mind. So just howoften do you see good lines parting for no
reason?
Please explain to EVERYONE why

peoplewilldoubleupongroundtacklewhenbadweatherappr oaches.Primarily because
anchors can drag, and single anchors can be upset. Also,boatsdraging down on
you can chafe a line. Worrying about a line parting inthe middle is real low
on the list. Please tell us again how cordage NEVER fails
inexplicably."Never" might be too strong a word. But I will say that in 45
years, I'venever seen a line failinexplicably. I've seen a few fail for good
reason -itswas always chafe, and usually the incompetance of the person show
set it up.No one else seems to be jumping to your defence; no one has come
forward tosayit does happen. Yet you claim to have seen it a number of times
in your morelimited experiance. I don't think its for me to explain why so
many
"inexplicable" things happen to you,booby.




Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 04:00 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote ...
Shouldn't you be getting ready for your 'big trip'?

How do you know about my sailing trip next week? We're sailing a

Galaxy 32 from
Oyster Bay to a place near Shark River for a furling install, then

back to City
Island.



How far is that in NM?


Two days aint a "big trip" though maybe for Scotty Potti!



Two days! Two whole days? at sea?......in a 32'er.......damn bob, you
da man!
That *is* a 'big trip'.
Do you have an EPIRB, a life raft and a well stocked ditch kit?
How much ice will you need to last two whole days?

Scotty




Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 04:03 PM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000 pounds. There's
no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little blow.


Jeff illustrates perfectly how a good sailor differs from a poor one.


Yet my lines don't break, and yours do. Who's the good dailor here?

I care little about "claims" about line strength.


That's obvious. You're buying garbage line.

I buy good quality oversized
dockline, but I NEVER trust the label 100%. Who would? When bad weather is
forecast you double up on the lines. It's easy, low cost and a basic rule. It
doesn't exist because everyone's lines are chafing.
Keep trusting those labels, Jeff! I prefer to practice good seamanship and add
lines. This time it payed off.


There's nothing wrong with adding lines, although I usually leave my boat with
enough lines to sustain a major blow. Gusts to 35 should be expected.

But the reason for double lines is to handle the case of unexpected chafe, which
might happen if another boat get loose and rubs on you lines, or if severe
rocking dislodges chafe guards, etc.

Booby, lines rated at 10,000 pounds do not fail for no reason.







Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 04:03 PM


"Jeff Morris" wrote

I don't think its for me to explain why so many
"inexplicable" things happen to you, booby.


Bad Karma?

Katy's voo-doo doll?

He's a lubbery idiot?







Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 04:10 PM

Due to the fact that I'm 2 hours away from my boat, I always have
double lines.

Scotty


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000

pounds. There's
no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little

blow.


Jeff illustrates perfectly how a good sailor differs from a poor

one.

Yet my lines don't break, and yours do. Who's the good dailor here?

I care little about "claims" about line strength.


That's obvious. You're buying garbage line.

I buy good quality oversized
dockline, but I NEVER trust the label 100%. Who would? When bad

weather is
forecast you double up on the lines. It's easy, low cost and a

basic rule. It
doesn't exist because everyone's lines are chafing.
Keep trusting those labels, Jeff! I prefer to practice good

seamanship and add
lines. This time it payed off.


There's nothing wrong with adding lines, although I usually leave my

boat with
enough lines to sustain a major blow. Gusts to 35 should be

expected.

But the reason for double lines is to handle the case of unexpected

chafe, which
might happen if another boat get loose and rubs on you lines, or if

severe
rocking dislodges chafe guards, etc.

Booby, lines rated at 10,000 pounds do not fail for no reason.









gonefishiing October 2nd 04 04:10 PM

to reduce stress by doubling lines i think you would need to make sure they
are working completely together.
otherwise if it is just twice as many lines.----one will work while the
other is slack. if one goes south, then the other takes the load.
i have yet to figure out how to do this
any ideas?
admitting ignorance here.
gf.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Now you're claiming the line parted with no chafe??? Good Grief! And

you're
claiming it happens all the time at your marina???


Please POST where I said It Happens all the time.


You the one who said you've seen this happen a number of times.

If it happened mid line
beneath the snubber, please explain to all of us what it was chafing

against.

Booby, the breaking strength of a dock line is around 10,000 pounds.

There's no
way a properly setup line should encounter this force in a little blow.

You've
even said that you expected the blow and checked the lines a few hours

before.
If you doubled the lines that should have reduced the stress on any one

line.

The only explanation for this is incompetance.

We all eagerly await your answer. I may even forward it to Yale.


I've given my explanation, what's yours?










JAXAshby October 2nd 04 04:15 PM

Booby, lines rated at 10,000 pounds do not fail for no reason.


bob, don't try to discuss anything at with jeffies. unless his wife is
standing behind him while he is at the keyboard, he spends hours trying to put
together complete sentences for the express purpose of showing that if he isn't
exactly the brightest light under the bushel he really can show those girls at
in high school who laughed at his utterly silly responses in class that he can
find something somewhere he can use to "prove" someone is dummer in some
respect.

jeffies is a sophist, way too stupid to even begin to know what the word means.
he is an intellectual creep whose entire (fictionalized) sailing experience is
in training wheels and/or an old man's boat sold to those who are afraid of the
water.

ask the intellectual creep about his degree in physics, or was that his
electrical engineering degree in physics?

Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 04:50 PM

I guess it really hurts bad when you get trounced, eh jaxie?

If it make you feels this small, why do you keep making an ass of yourself?





"JAXAshby" wrote in message ...
Booby, lines rated at 10,000 pounds do not fail for no reason.


bob, don't try to discuss anything at with jeffies. unless his wife is
standing behind him while he is at the keyboard, he spends hours trying to put
together complete sentences for the express purpose of showing that if he isn't
exactly the brightest light under the bushel he really can show those girls at
in high school who laughed at his utterly silly responses in class that he can
find something somewhere he can use to "prove" someone is dummer in some
respect.

jeffies is a sophist, way too stupid to even begin to know what the word means.
he is an intellectual creep whose entire (fictionalized) sailing experience is
in training wheels and/or an old man's boat sold to those who are afraid of the
water.

ask the intellectual creep about his degree in physics, or was that his
electrical engineering degree in physics?




Jeff Morris October 2nd 04 04:57 PM

Oh really? Show us where New England Rope say their line may part for no apparent reason. They do
mention a number of reasons, "inexplicable" is not one of them.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
No one else seems to be jumping to your defence; no one has come forward to say
it does happen.

And no one is dumb enough to say it can't. Not even the companies that make the
line.
Check and mate AGAIN!

RB




felton October 2nd 04 05:03 PM

On 02 Oct 2004 14:40:01 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Hahahahahaha!

RB


Probably damaged during the burglary.


Actually, I never thought of that! No likely though.

RB


Based on this newsgroup, I would say that the likely cause of the line
failure was a stray bullet.

Scott Vernon October 2nd 04 06:23 PM


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Oh really? Show us where New England Rope say their line may part

for no apparent reason. They do
mention a number of reasons, "inexplicable" is not one of them.



They should put that warning on their lines, right Jim Cate?

Scotty




Thom Stewart October 2nd 04 08:43 PM

Can't make the LIE go down, can you Nutsy?

How many lines parted on the boats that didn't double up :^) I know if
there were any, you be shouting into the wind for all to hear.

Sorry Nutsy, you're so busy defending you obvious LIE with other dumb
statements and lies that you forgot the obivious LIE about other
failures.

Shut The Hell Up!!!

Ole Thom



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