So, what you're saying is that you either have very limited direct
experience with VN vets or that you think someone who is wounded three
times, who commands troops in action, who is awarded a bronze and a
silver, and who has the option of leaving, should stay or be declared
unpatriotic.

I am a Viet Nam vet. In reply to your other question I don't know of any
soldier who was in Viet Nam who was awarded medals but was not injured to the
point where he couldn't fight left before his tour was up. Kerry's so called
wounds were nothing. Maybe he knew about the 3 medals you get to go home rule
and that's why he became "wounded" so many times in a short period of time.
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SAIL LOCO wrote:
So, what you're saying is that you either have very limited direct
experience with VN vets or that you think someone who is wounded three
times, who commands troops in action, who is awarded a bronze and a
silver, and who has the option of leaving, should stay or be declared
unpatriotic.

I am a Viet Nam vet. In reply to your other question I don't know of any
soldier who was in Viet Nam who was awarded medals but was not injured to the
point where he couldn't fight left before his tour was up. Kerry's so called
wounds were nothing. Maybe he knew about the 3 medals you get to go home rule
and that's why he became "wounded" so many times in a short period of time.

Being a vet does not necessarily qualify you to make the
generalization.

Also, it seems like you're saying that since Kerry availed himself of
what he could, that that somehow disqualifies him from being a war
hero and patriotic. Why would anyone want to stay in a place like that
any longer than possible?? His wounds were supposedly nothing, but
somehow you've become the arbiter of what does and what doesn't
qualify, over and above what the military seems to think on the
subject. According to you, he didn't serve admirably, yet according to
Bush he did.

If you want to talk about being unpatriotic, perhaps you should talk
about Bush deciding not to follow a direct order to have a physical,
shirking his duties, and being penalized for it by having his service
agreement extended by 6 months as punishment. Perhaps wasting millions
of dollars of taxpayer money by not doing as he was ordered is ok with
you, but it's not ok with me. I think that's pretty unpatriotic.



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"If there's no wind, row."

Being a vet does not necessarily qualify you to make the
generalization.

Nice try. I didn't make any generalizations.

Also, it seems like you're saying that since Kerry availed himself of
what he could, that that somehow disqualifies him from being a war
hero and patriotic. Why would anyone want to stay in a place like that
any longer than possible?? His wounds were supposedly nothing, but
somehow you've become the arbiter of what does and what doesn't
qualify, over and above what the military seems to think on the
subject. .

No, all I'm saying is, like many other vets, is that no one went to Nam and
left in 4 months unless they had their leg blown off. It is my belief that
Kerry went to Viet Nam with a plan in mind for his future. He even told people
and it's documented that he wanted to have a "record" like JFK. I believe his
plan was to get 3 medals and get the hell out. I believe his plan was to use
those medals to make a career in Washington. This is my humble opinion.

If you want to talk about being unpatriotic, perhaps you should talk
about Bush deciding not to follow a direct order to have a physical,
shirking his duties, and being penalized for it by having his service
agreement extended by 6 months as punishment. Perhaps wasting millions
of dollars of taxpayer money by not doing as he was ordered is ok with
you, but it's not ok with me. I think that's pretty unpatriotic..

Please explain how Bush wasted millions of taxpayer's dollars by not doing
what he was ordered to do? It's my understanding that he skipped the physical
which was to qualify himself for another aircraft. The problem was there was
none of the other aircraft in his unit.

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SAIL LOCO wrote:
Being a vet does not necessarily qualify you to make the
generalization.

Nice try. I didn't make any generalizations.

You made tons of them.

No, all I'm saying is, like many other vets, is that no one went to Nam and
left in 4 months unless they had their leg blown off. It is my belief that

This is called a generalization.

Kerry went to Viet Nam with a plan in mind for his future. He even told people
and it's documented that he wanted to have a "record" like JFK. I believe his
plan was to get 3 medals and get the hell out. I believe his plan was to use
those medals to make a career in Washington. This is my humble opinion.

This is called being able to predict the future. Even GWB can't do
that.

Please explain how Bush wasted millions of taxpayer's dollars by not doing
what he was ordered to do? It's my understanding that he skipped the physical
which was to qualify himself for another aircraft. The problem was there was
none of the other aircraft in his unit.

You're understanding would be wrong.

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http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

You're understanding would be wrong.

Could be? That's a profound statement. Is that all you got?
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SAIL LOCO wrote:
You're understanding would be wrong.

Could be? That's a profound statement. Is that all you got?

I said "would be" not "could be." It's quite profoud.

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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

This is called being able to predict the future.

No it's not. It's called a plan to enter public life and not work for a
living. By the way Kerry should give back his salary for 2004. He hasn't
participated in ONE vote for the people he represents. Others who have run for
office have resigned their seat.
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SAIL LOCO wrote:
This is called being able to predict the future.

No it's not. It's called a plan to enter public life and not work for a
living. By the way Kerry should give back his salary for 2004. He hasn't
participated in ONE vote for the people he represents. Others who have run for
office have resigned their seat.

And, others have not. What's your point? Do you live in Mass? Why do
you care if they don't seem to mind?



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

SAIL LOCO wrote:


No, all I'm saying is, like many other vets, is that no one went to Nam and
left in 4 months unless they had their leg blown off.

Are you sure about this? Does Kerry only have one leg?

Cheers

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
I am a Viet Nam vet. In reply to your other question I don't know of any
soldier who was in Viet Nam who was awarded medals but was not injured to
the
point where he couldn't fight left before his tour was up. Kerry's so
called
wounds were nothing. Maybe he knew about the 3 medals you get to go home
rule
and that's why he became "wounded" so many times in a short period of
time.

Do you think that GWB would have gone to Vietnam if he knew that he could
get sent home so easily?



Regards


Donal
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