"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Actually, that's not true. NYC is a great example. They've got extremely
strick
gun laws and violent crime is way down. ....

Yes, down from once being the crime capital of the country, but it is still
far more dangerous than, say, Fredricksburg Va where nearly half the
residents have permits to carry or that good old southern town that requires
residents to own guns.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 10 Sep 2004 11:28:03 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

Does this make any sense to anyone besides Max?

Of course. It's called metaphor. He's suggesting that correlation is not
causation. You do understand that concept, don't you?

So, you're saying that Pat Robertson has nothing to do with diverting
the path of hurricanes??

I'm suggesting that perhaps you have a bit of a problem understanding some
of the finer points of the English language.

I'm suggesting that your preferred language is only understood by
other canines.




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In article ,
DSK wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
The long guns you're talking about have folding stocks and flash
suppressors.
There is no good reason for "honest citizens" to own these things without
a permit.

A "permit" to own a paramilitary weapon? WTF? First you say there is no
good reason for them, then you want to issue permits for people to do so?

Frankly, I think you've got it exactly backwards... there is no reason
for the gov't to restrict their ownership. A citizen should be allowed
to buy & own whatever he wants & can afford... from motorcycles to
electric guitars. It is the misuse of these items that is a problem for
the community and thus becomes an issue for the gov't to address.

I have no problem with banning convicted felons, or ex-wife stalkers,
from owning firearms. Makes good sense to me. However, I have a big
problem with the gov't telling me what I can and can't do, when I have a
lifelong record of good citizenship.

Considering the number of fatalities & severe injuries around the home,
perhaps you'd advocate banning, or requiring permits, to own such things
as lawn mowers & certain types of cleaning supplies?

Cars kill far more people than guns, and yet we make little or no effort
to restrict their use.

I don't think there is any good reason to own them, but since I'm not
in charge, I think people have a right to believe what they want. If
they think they have a legitimate reason, then apply for a permit. If
the authorities agree, then fine.

The public good outweighs any individual's supposed rights to keep a
paramilitary weapon. It might be a priviledge, but no such right
exists.
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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 10 Sep 2004 11:27:06 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

So, what you're saying is that either Fox is right all the time or that
ABC (Rather is on another network) are dishonest and biases. I
think I'll go with ABC over Fox.

I don't think I said anything at all about Fox, but you're welcome to try to
show otherwise.

I may be welcome, but I'm not interested in your TV watching
habits.

Seems to me that your comment reflects considerable interest in those
habits. Why else invent a fairy tale about them when I said nothing whatever
about Fox?

You're the one who believes Fox is fair and balanced. So, what's your
problem? (I mean besides the obvious ones.)



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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Cars kill far more people than guns, and yet we make little or no effort
to restrict their use.

DSK

Huh? Care to elaborate on that statement?
John Cairns

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 10 Sep 2004 14:14:48 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

You're the one who believes Fox is fair and balanced. So, what's your
problem? (I mean besides the obvious ones.)

Repeating your error won't make it true. I welcome you to find any post in
which I even hinted that Fox is fair and balanced. You're dreaming. Of
course I know you won't try to find such a post, because you know you'll
fail.

So, you're now claiming that Fox is not fair and balanced?

I would never stoop so low as to fail.




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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
John Cairns wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Cars kill far more people than guns, and yet we make little or no effort
to restrict their use.

DSK

Huh? Care to elaborate on that statement?
John Cairns

It's an odd statement, since there are lots and lots of regulations
restricting their use and manufacture at the state and federal level.


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http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 10 Sep 2004 14:13:29 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

If
they think they have a legitimate reason, then apply for a permit. If
the authorities agree, then fine.

There used to be a game like that. I think it was called "Captain may I."

So you think it's ok for an individual to own whatever they want, no
matter what that is, without restriction?




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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 10 Sep 2004 15:10:48 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

Repeating your error won't make it true. I welcome you to find any post in
which I even hinted that Fox is fair and balanced. You're dreaming. Of
course I know you won't try to find such a post, because you know you'll
fail.

So, you're now claiming that Fox is not fair and balanced?

Ah, more of you sophomoric nonsense.

It was a legitimate question. You refuse to answer, so one can only
conclude that you do believe they're fair and balanced.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:52:51 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

The long guns you're talking about have folding stocks and flash
suppressors.
There is no good reason for "honest citizens" to own these things without a
permit.


That's bull****. The second amendment allows me to belong to a
militia. In my militia, we have assault weapons so that we can better
defend the United States of America.





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