"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Actually, that's not true. NYC is a great example. They've got extremely
strick
gun laws and violent crime is way down. ....

Yes, down from once being the crime capital of the country, but it is still
far more dangerous than, say, Fredricksburg Va where nearly half the
residents have permits to carry or that good old southern town that requires
residents to own guns.