The second time he explained to the security staff
about her condition... they ignored him and filed charges.. having her
arrested.

That's absolutely ridiculous, I agree. He should have called the media
right there and then....immediacy sometimes works best....why they are
pursuing it is a wonder to me....surely they must know that public sentiment
is going to slay them?
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"katysails" wrote in message

Her son is an asshole.

This is most unfair. You've obviously never faced caring for an ailing
parent alone, while trying to maintain a family and a career simultaneously.

I championed my father's desire to keep him out of a facility as long as I
could. Sadly the local busy bodies conspired with some other family
members, ultimately threatening me with criminal negligence charges. I had
no choice but to have Dad put in a home. He was heartbroken, and never
completely recovered from his "incarceration," as he called it. And my
guilt could have filled the Grand Canyon.

Walk a mile in that lady's son's shoes, or mine, before you pass judgment.

Max

This is most unfair. You've obviously never faced caring for an ailing
parent alone, while trying to maintain a family and a career simultaneously.

Yeah...well you don't know anything about the last three years then....
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Walk a mile in that lady's son's shoes, or mine, before you pass judgment

Been there, done that, still doing that....and we were the ones that had to
press the decision, just like your family did, to choose the nursing home
over the possibility;ity of her burning herself and others to death (she
would walk away from the stove and forget it was on...her daughter's
solution was to unplug the stove so then she blew up 3 microwaves in a
month...) Guilt...over doing what is right and best, and BTW, what's right
and best is oftentimes not what the person has desired at all, is wasted
effort and self-flagellation. Rather feel that even though his spirits were
down, he was in a safe, controlled environment. Mr. Sails mom ended up
suffering terribly because of his sister's stubbornness. She broke her leg
to such a degree that she can never walk again and has been wheelchair
bound...she had to have three surgeries to put it back together again...we
had pressed for a safer environment than the independent living place she
was in for a year, to no avail....when you are close to a situation, it is
hard to stay objective...Clancy's sister is still in denial and won't accept
that her mother has Alzheimer's...has tried to have them decrease her
Nemenda (which at least keeps her stable). Yes, we have walked that mile,
and several more, so I know whereof I speak.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Okay... I'm really really ****ed off now..... I'm putting this here to let
everyone know what happened..... read the following and know why!!!

Both letters are an account of the occurrence that transpired..... I need to
hit these scumballs where it hurts the most... in the wallet!!

Damn but I'm just so friggin' ****ed off at this whole thing!

Anyways.. it's long... two letters written to our local paper.... both about
the same incident..... I'm starting a friggin' campaign. This woman is
devastated about this and has been in tears.

Any Help would be appreciated.


Do you have a email address for the store?

If so post it on every elder related site on the internet and request
that everyone send them an e-mail telling them what assholes they are,
and refuse to buy anything from them again unless they drop the
charges.

Get Scotty to drive his peterbuildt thru the store.

Go into the store and pretend to steal something in front of a
security camera, then beat the crap out of the security guard when he
grabs you walking out the door, then sue the store ;0)

Joe




Joe




As Follows:

I am writing to you to express my disgust with the above company's
policy and actions following an incident that recently occurred at the
Zellers Store in the Bedford Place Mall. A friend of mine's elderly mother,
living on a fixed income and suffering from Alzheimer's and Terminal Cancer,
mistakenly walked out of the store with a pair of sunglasses without paying.
The security people stopped her and gave her a document that stated that she
would be charged with trespassing if she entered the mall during the next
six months. She forgot to tell her son (and legal guardian) what had
happened, and her son was unaware of the prior events or the trespassing
warning issued by the security people. A few weeks later, my friend's
mother went shopping at Zellers in the Bedford Place Mall again, and was
stopped by security after removing a few pieces of Kleenex from a full box
in the store. This time, security called the police and had the senior
citizen charged with trespassing. Her son explained to security that he was
unaware of the first incident or the earlier trespassing warning that they
had apparently issued, and further advised them of his mother's fragile
medical condition. He pointed out that, given the circumstances, the
additional stress associated with a court appearance for trespassing was the
last thing that his mother needed at this point. The security people
ignored this, deciding instead to file formal trespassing charges against
this 72 year old lady.

While I can understand that Zellers and the Bedford Place Mall must protect
their merchandise from theft (normally done by troubled teenagers or
professional boosters), I cannot understand why they would persist in
prosecuting my friend's mother. If their actions were aimed at deterring
future incidents, under the circumstances their punitive action is severely
misguided in my opinion. If a four year old takes a chocolate bar from
Zellers without paying and is caught, do the security people issue a written
warning to the child and instruct them to pass the document on to their
parents? I am sure that if my friend had been advised of the first
incident he would have spoken to security immediately to explain his
mother's medical condition, and reassured security that he would accompany
his mother when she went shopping there in the future.

I have mentioned the above to several of my friends, and they are as
appalled as I am about the seemingly total lack of compassion and human
decency shown by Zellers and Bedford Place Mall security towards this
harmless older lady. I would welcome an investigation by your newspaper
into the above. Hopefully this would raise public awareness about the
mistreatment of defenseless senior citizens by some large corporations. I
would respectfully suggest that Zellers and the Bedford Place Mall have done
more damage to their public image through their heavy-handed action than
they have to gain by prosecuting this "case".

My letter as follows:

I thought this might be of interest to you....

It deals with corporate policy and the mistreatment of the elderly!!

If you wish contacts to verify this please contact me and I will be happy to
liaise your request to the party involved. I'm taking this to task because
it irks me to think this is the sum total of respect and consideration I
might one day have to face when in my golden years of retirement.

I was informed by a friend that an acquaintance of mine's aged mother living
on a fixed income and suffering from Alzheimer's and Terminal Cancer goes to
Zellers Store at the Bedford Place Mall.. She had been at this branch
before. Apparently she tried on a pair of sunglasses and forgot they were in
her hand when she walked out... easily explainable but the store decided
that although she had been a regular customer, they would issue her a
document stating that if she returned to the store again within the next 6
months she would be charged with trespassing.

So a month or two later she returned to the store... apparently she forgot
to tell her son what had transpired... I wonder how that could have
happened! He only found out after she had been arrested and charged for
trespassing on Zellers property. They won't back down and are taking her to
court because it's "Policy". NICE!!! She not only has her current medical
difficulties to deal with.... but now thanks to this ignorant corporate
entity's 'Policy'.... she now this added stress to cope with!! Is this
indicative of the respect and value that ZELLERS places on it's elderly
customers?

Seriously now... I would expect this behaviour directed to adolescents or
career criminals... and it may not amount to anything in a court of law
considering the circumstances.... but the appalling lack of basic
consideration and common decent human values totally evades me. Even after
her son spoke to Zellers on her behalf and attempted to explain things... he
was given the "Company Policy" speech!

Enough is Enough!! I'm sick and tired of the manner in which these
corporate entities act without due regard to circumstance or respect.

Needless to say I'm ****ed and the objective of this letter is to let as
many people know what happened as feasibly possible.

I would appreciate any investigation and a full public accounting of
ZELLERS!!!

So that's it!
I'm friggin' livid about this incident...... I'm not putting up with this
crap from some pencil necked pimple faced wanna-be cop in a friggin' store
stealin' what little time this person has left!!!

For those unaware... ZELLERS is a Canadian Retail Chain like Wal-Mart...

CM

I've already started with the Canadian Association of Retired Persons... and
am continuing to spread the word. They have already tried to silence us by
threats of a team of lawyers... we have a defence fund being set-up and
contacts willing to take on the case as well as the media involved.

If it had happened to my parent... I would have waited until closing time
and put the head of the security in the critical ward. Nuf Said!

CM



"Joe" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| Okay... I'm really really ****ed off now..... I'm putting this here to
let
| everyone know what happened..... read the following and know why!!!
|
| Both letters are an account of the occurrence that transpired..... I
need to
| hit these scumballs where it hurts the most... in the wallet!!
|
| Damn but I'm just so friggin' ****ed off at this whole thing!
|
| Anyways.. it's long... two letters written to our local paper.... both
about
| the same incident..... I'm starting a friggin' campaign. This woman is
| devastated about this and has been in tears.
|
| Any Help would be appreciated.
|
|
| Do you have a email address for the store?
|
| If so post it on every elder related site on the internet and request
| that everyone send them an e-mail telling them what assholes they are,
| and refuse to buy anything from them again unless they drop the
| charges.
|
| Get Scotty to drive his peterbuildt thru the store.
|
| Go into the store and pretend to steal something in front of a
| security camera, then beat the crap out of the security guard when he
| grabs you walking out the door, then sue the store ;0)
|
| Joe
|
|
|
|
| Joe
|
|
|
|
| As Follows:
|
| I am writing to you to express my disgust with the above company's
| policy and actions following an incident that recently occurred at the
| Zellers Store in the Bedford Place Mall. A friend of mine's elderly
mother,
| living on a fixed income and suffering from Alzheimer's and Terminal
Cancer,
| mistakenly walked out of the store with a pair of sunglasses without
paying.
| The security people stopped her and gave her a document that stated that
she
| would be charged with trespassing if she entered the mall during the
next
| six months. She forgot to tell her son (and legal guardian) what had
| happened, and her son was unaware of the prior events or the trespassing
| warning issued by the security people. A few weeks later, my friend's
| mother went shopping at Zellers in the Bedford Place Mall again, and was
| stopped by security after removing a few pieces of Kleenex from a full
box
| in the store. This time, security called the police and had the senior
| citizen charged with trespassing. Her son explained to security that he
was
| unaware of the first incident or the earlier trespassing warning that
they
| had apparently issued, and further advised them of his mother's fragile
| medical condition. He pointed out that, given the circumstances, the
| additional stress associated with a court appearance for trespassing was
the
| last thing that his mother needed at this point. The security people
| ignored this, deciding instead to file formal trespassing charges
against
| this 72 year old lady.
|
| While I can understand that Zellers and the Bedford Place Mall must
protect
| their merchandise from theft (normally done by troubled teenagers or
| professional boosters), I cannot understand why they would persist in
| prosecuting my friend's mother. If their actions were aimed at
deterring
| future incidents, under the circumstances their punitive action is
severely
| misguided in my opinion. If a four year old takes a chocolate bar from
| Zellers without paying and is caught, do the security people issue a
written
| warning to the child and instruct them to pass the document on to their
| parents? I am sure that if my friend had been advised of the first
| incident he would have spoken to security immediately to explain his
| mother's medical condition, and reassured security that he would
accompany
| his mother when she went shopping there in the future.
|
| I have mentioned the above to several of my friends, and they are as
| appalled as I am about the seemingly total lack of compassion and human
| decency shown by Zellers and Bedford Place Mall security towards this
| harmless older lady. I would welcome an investigation by your
newspaper
| into the above. Hopefully this would raise public awareness about the
| mistreatment of defenseless senior citizens by some large corporations.
I
| would respectfully suggest that Zellers and the Bedford Place Mall have
done
| more damage to their public image through their heavy-handed action than
| they have to gain by prosecuting this "case".
|
| My letter as follows:
|
| I thought this might be of interest to you....
|
| It deals with corporate policy and the mistreatment of the elderly!!
|
| If you wish contacts to verify this please contact me and I will be
happy to
| liaise your request to the party involved. I'm taking this to task
because
| it irks me to think this is the sum total of respect and consideration I
| might one day have to face when in my golden years of retirement.
|
| I was informed by a friend that an acquaintance of mine's aged mother
living
| on a fixed income and suffering from Alzheimer's and Terminal Cancer
goes to
| Zellers Store at the Bedford Place Mall.. She had been at this branch
| before. Apparently she tried on a pair of sunglasses and forgot they
were in
| her hand when she walked out... easily explainable but the store
decided
| that although she had been a regular customer, they would issue her a
| document stating that if she returned to the store again within the next
6
| months she would be charged with trespassing.
|
| So a month or two later she returned to the store... apparently she
forgot
| to tell her son what had transpired... I wonder how that could have
| happened! He only found out after she had been arrested and charged
for
| trespassing on Zellers property. They won't back down and are taking her
to
| court because it's "Policy". NICE!!! She not only has her current
medical
| difficulties to deal with.... but now thanks to this ignorant corporate
| entity's 'Policy'.... she now this added stress to cope with!! Is this
| indicative of the respect and value that ZELLERS places on it's elderly
| customers?
|
| Seriously now... I would expect this behaviour directed to adolescents
or
| career criminals... and it may not amount to anything in a court of law
| considering the circumstances.... but the appalling lack of basic
| consideration and common decent human values totally evades me. Even
after
| her son spoke to Zellers on her behalf and attempted to explain
things... he
| was given the "Company Policy" speech!
|
| Enough is Enough!! I'm sick and tired of the manner in which these
| corporate entities act without due regard to circumstance or respect.
|
| Needless to say I'm ****ed and the objective of this letter is to let as
| many people know what happened as feasibly possible.
|
| I would appreciate any investigation and a full public accounting of
| ZELLERS!!!
|
| So that's it!
| I'm friggin' livid about this incident...... I'm not putting up with
this
| crap from some pencil necked pimple faced wanna-be cop in a friggin'
store
| stealin' what little time this person has left!!!
|
| For those unaware... ZELLERS is a Canadian Retail Chain like Wal-Mart...
|
| CM

Are you allowed to picket in Canada?

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s/v Chanteuse
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You bet....

I've just heard they seem to have changed their tune and want to "talk"...

They are willing to drop the charges if we will "cease & desist" this
campaign.

Apparently this is not the first time such an incident has transpired with
this firm!!

You can guess our reply....

CM

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I hope you will accept their "apologies" gracefully. What can be gained by
anything else? If you were to play hardball at this point, it will look bad
later when they say they "offered apologies and dropped charges, but nothing
was good enough."
"After all," they will say, "it is our responsibility to minimize pricing by
controlling loss, for the sake of our customers, no matter the reason."
Let it go.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
You bet....

I've just heard they seem to have changed their tune and want to "talk"...

They are willing to drop the charges if we will "cease & desist" this
campaign.

Apparently this is not the first time such an incident has transpired with
this firm!!

You can guess our reply....

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
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| s/v Chanteuse
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