"katysails" wrote in message
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That's right. Bu**** is pretty close to center, but he's beholden
to the religious right. He's surrounded by extremest right wing
freakazoids.


Let's see...the choice is to be surrounded by raving religionists or
drooling, muck-raking socialists socialists...think I'd rather go with the
religionists....


Et tu, Katy?

Real religionists don't go to war.

"Thou shalt not kill." is quite unambiguous. There are no "ifs", "buts" or
exceptions of any kind.

I am aware that the 20,000 Iraqi civilian deaths are comepletely irrelevant.
However, God might consider that the deaths of the 200 American soldiers
constituted a breach of His 5th Commandment!


Regards


Donal
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Et tu, Katy?

Real religionists don't go to war.

I wasn't aware that I had declared war on anyone. It would be a pitifully
sad one if I did. And real religionists do declare war for righteous
reasons....David the King certainly saw his share as did Solomon the
Great....pacifism is a nice philosophy...too many people die along its'
edges, though, before the point is made and it is seldom sustained for any
length of time....even Jesus said "Render to Caesar that which is Caesar's/"
If your country calls you, then the obligation is to go or choose another
country more in line with your thinking. Since the country you reside in
thinks more or less the same as the USA on the current world situation, I
also ask you Et tu, Donal?
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Et tu, Katy?

Real religionists don't go to war.

"Thou shalt not kill." is quite unambiguous. There are no "ifs",
"buts" or exceptions of any kind.

I am aware that the 20,000 Iraqi civilian deaths are comepletely
irrelevant. However, God might consider that the deaths of the 200
American soldiers constituted a breach of His 5th Commandment!


Regards


Donal

You can't really be that stupid. You're just a provocateur, I assume.
If you really believe what you wrote, you'd have to go spit on the
graves of those twenty-year-old RAF pilots that saved Britain from an
early Nazi invasion. Just think of how many Nazi pilots they shot down
with abandon.... You must really despise them for that slaughter. Right?

The Commandment is, do not murder. If a wild-eyed serial killer is
stabbing your child to death in front of you, do you believe that God
has tied your hands, you can't harm him? You just have to talk it out
and reason with the poor fellow until he stops out of guilt, or fatigue?

A "pacifist" is just a coward or slacker that's not even honest enough
to admit that he (or she) is a coward or slacker. Refusing to destroy
evil does not show love for your fellow man, it shows contempt, and
thereby disobeys God's teaching. When you grow up, maybe you'll
understand.

A "pacifist" is just a coward or slacker that's not even honest enough
to admit that he (or she) is a coward or slacker.

Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not a coward
nor was he a slacker...and I don't believe that people brought up as Friends
are either coward's or slacker's. It is Utopian to think that this world
could all adhere to pacifism as a lifestyle...and a common belief that man
is born good, rather than is born under the stain of sin, would have to be
engendered. (Pelagian rather than the Augustinian viewpoint held by not
only Christians, but Jews and Islam) And pacifism only works in cases where
you are facing a somewhat reasonable adversary. Imagine pacifism in the
face of Hitler. He would have relished it and it would have confirmed his
belief in weakness of his targets. Think of pacifism in the face of Idi
Amin. It would have gotten you a dinner invitation...as dinner...

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Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not
a coward nor was he a slacker.

People like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. were not fighting PURE
EVIL. They were fighting pig-headed stupid people who's hearts could
be, and were, changed by forcing them to confront their consciences.

They knew it would work because they knew their opponents had good
hearts in most cases, most. That's the place where non-violence (or
pacifism) works. The tactic is not applicable to Osama, or Saddam,
or Hitler and all their thugs. In those cases, pacifism is just
called suicide.

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Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not
a coward nor was he a slacker.

People like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. were not fighting PURE
EVIL.

This strikes at the heart of the issue.

Evil is not absolute.

For example:
Are terrorists evil?

If you answered "Yes", then perhaps you should wind the clock back about 40
years. Nelson Mandela was considered to be a terrorist. Very few people
complained when he was first locked up. Now, he is seen as a bringer of
peace.

As recently as 2 months ago, most Republicans believed that Saddam was
connected to Al Qaeda. That was your main justification for going to war.
Republicans also believed that Saddam had WMD that threatened us.

The 9/11 Commission has now told us that both these "facts" were lies.

War is evil. .... To start a war is evil. .... To start a war which will
bring financial benifit to your family and friends is very evil.

Bush told you that Saddam had links to Al Qaeda. Bush told you that Saddam
had WMD. Bush's friends made big bucks out of the war.

IMHO, you are incapable of recognising true evil when it stares you in the
face!



Regards


Donal
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They were fighting pig-headed stupid people who's hearts could
be, and were, changed by forcing them to confront their consciences.

They knew it would work because they knew their opponents had good
hearts in most cases, most. That's the place where non-violence (or
pacifism) works. The tactic is not applicable to Osama, or Saddam,
or Hitler and all their thugs. In those cases, pacifism is just
called suicide.

That's the most evil thing I've read this week.

Donal wrote:
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Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not
a coward nor was he a slacker.

People like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. were not fighting PURE
EVIL.

This strikes at the heart of the issue.

Evil is not absolute.

For example:
Are terrorists evil?

If you answered "Yes", then perhaps you should wind the clock back
about 40 years. Nelson Mandela was considered to be a terrorist.
Very few people complained when he was first locked up. Now, he is
seen as a bringer of peace.

As recently as 2 months ago, most Republicans believed that Saddam was
connected to Al Qaeda. That was your main justification for going to
war. Republicans also believed that Saddam had WMD that threatened us.

The 9/11 Commission has now told us that both these "facts" were lies.

War is evil. .... To start a war is evil. .... To start a war which
will bring financial benifit to your family and friends is very evil.

Bush told you that Saddam had links to Al Qaeda. Bush told you that
Saddam had WMD. Bush's friends made big bucks out of the war.

IMHO, you are incapable of recognising true evil when it stares you
in the face!



Regards


Donal

They were fighting pig-headed stupid people who's hearts could
be, and were, changed by forcing them to confront their consciences.

They knew it would work because they knew their opponents had good
hearts in most cases, most. That's the place where non-violence (or
pacifism) works. The tactic is not applicable to Osama, or Saddam,
or Hitler and all their thugs. In those cases, pacifism is just
called suicide.

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Never date a woman you can hear ticking. - Mark Patinkin

Eschew Obfuscation.

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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That's the most evil thing I've read this week.


Very good!


You're improving......... a bit!



Regards


Donal
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:05:24 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap:


Real religionists don't go to war.

"Thou shalt not kill." is quite unambiguous. There are no "ifs", "buts" or
exceptions of any kind.


That's a mistranslation from the original. It should read, "Thou
shalt not commit murder." Which is totally different.





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