A "pacifist" is just a coward or slacker that's not even honest enough
to admit that he (or she) is a coward or slacker.

Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not a coward
nor was he a slacker...and I don't believe that people brought up as Friends
are either coward's or slacker's. It is Utopian to think that this world
could all adhere to pacifism as a lifestyle...and a common belief that man
is born good, rather than is born under the stain of sin, would have to be
engendered. (Pelagian rather than the Augustinian viewpoint held by not
only Christians, but Jews and Islam) And pacifism only works in cases where
you are facing a somewhat reasonable adversary. Imagine pacifism in the
face of Hitler. He would have relished it and it would have confirmed his
belief in weakness of his targets. Think of pacifism in the face of Idi
Amin. It would have gotten you a dinner invitation...as dinner...

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Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not
a coward nor was he a slacker.

People like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. were not fighting PURE
EVIL. They were fighting pig-headed stupid people who's hearts could
be, and were, changed by forcing them to confront their consciences.

They knew it would work because they knew their opponents had good
hearts in most cases, most. That's the place where non-violence (or
pacifism) works. The tactic is not applicable to Osama, or Saddam,
or Hitler and all their thugs. In those cases, pacifism is just
called suicide.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:05:24 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap:


Real religionists don't go to war.

"Thou shalt not kill." is quite unambiguous. There are no "ifs", "buts" or
exceptions of any kind.


That's a mistranslation from the original. It should read, "Thou
shalt not commit murder." Which is totally different.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not
a coward nor was he a slacker.

People like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. were not fighting PURE
EVIL.

This strikes at the heart of the issue.

Evil is not absolute.

For example:
Are terrorists evil?

If you answered "Yes", then perhaps you should wind the clock back about 40
years. Nelson Mandela was considered to be a terrorist. Very few people
complained when he was first locked up. Now, he is seen as a bringer of
peace.

As recently as 2 months ago, most Republicans believed that Saddam was
connected to Al Qaeda. That was your main justification for going to war.
Republicans also believed that Saddam had WMD that threatened us.

The 9/11 Commission has now told us that both these "facts" were lies.

War is evil. .... To start a war is evil. .... To start a war which will
bring financial benifit to your family and friends is very evil.

Bush told you that Saddam had links to Al Qaeda. Bush told you that Saddam
had WMD. Bush's friends made big bucks out of the war.

IMHO, you are incapable of recognising true evil when it stares you in the
face!



Regards


Donal
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They were fighting pig-headed stupid people who's hearts could
be, and were, changed by forcing them to confront their consciences.

They knew it would work because they knew their opponents had good
hearts in most cases, most. That's the place where non-violence (or
pacifism) works. The tactic is not applicable to Osama, or Saddam,
or Hitler and all their thugs. In those cases, pacifism is just
called suicide.

That's the most evil thing I've read this week.

Donal wrote:
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Now you've gone too far the other way....Gandhi was certainly not
a coward nor was he a slacker.

People like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. were not fighting PURE
EVIL.

This strikes at the heart of the issue.

Evil is not absolute.

For example:
Are terrorists evil?

If you answered "Yes", then perhaps you should wind the clock back
about 40 years. Nelson Mandela was considered to be a terrorist.
Very few people complained when he was first locked up. Now, he is
seen as a bringer of peace.

As recently as 2 months ago, most Republicans believed that Saddam was
connected to Al Qaeda. That was your main justification for going to
war. Republicans also believed that Saddam had WMD that threatened us.

The 9/11 Commission has now told us that both these "facts" were lies.

War is evil. .... To start a war is evil. .... To start a war which
will bring financial benifit to your family and friends is very evil.

Bush told you that Saddam had links to Al Qaeda. Bush told you that
Saddam had WMD. Bush's friends made big bucks out of the war.

IMHO, you are incapable of recognising true evil when it stares you
in the face!



Regards


Donal

They were fighting pig-headed stupid people who's hearts could
be, and were, changed by forcing them to confront their consciences.

They knew it would work because they knew their opponents had good
hearts in most cases, most. That's the place where non-violence (or
pacifism) works. The tactic is not applicable to Osama, or Saddam,
or Hitler and all their thugs. In those cases, pacifism is just
called suicide.

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Eschew Obfuscation.

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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That's the most evil thing I've read this week.


Very good!


You're improving......... a bit!



Regards


Donal
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