Scott Vernon wrote:

20% stronger? Where did you get that from? I thought that a shackle was
stronger.

There are different grades of shackles.

Scotty


Looked up several different manufactures, typical values for a 5/16" quick link are around 1700 lb., for a standard grade carbon steel, galvanized
shackle the number seems to be about 1500 lb.

I realize that you can get shackles in different grades, just as you can chain. How many of you go out and buy grade 70 transport chain to use on your
ground tackle? I'll bet most buy proof coil (grade 30), in which case the basic el cheapo shackle is going to be stronger than the chain anyway.

I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which
is a pain in the butt some days.

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter wrote:

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I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which
is a pain in the butt some days.

Why stainless? I mouse with galvanised wire, and change it when
it looks seedy. Tho' I suppose the fresh?water use stops that
being much of a chore.
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Flying Tadpole wrote:


Martin Baxter wrote:

snip

I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which
is a pain in the butt some days.


Why stainless? I mouse with galvanised wire, and change it when
it looks seedy. Tho' I suppose the fresh?water use stops that
being much of a chore.


Galvanized works just fine, it just happens that I have a bunch of stainless on hand from the MIG welder.

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work
loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which
is a pain in the butt some days.


Why stainless? I mouse with galvanised wire, and change it when
it looks seedy. Tho' I suppose the fresh?water use stops that
being much of a chore.


Galvanized works just fine, it just happens that I have a bunch of stainless
on hand from the MIG welder.

I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you have
to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be popped
off with a pliers.

Why? What's the advantage? I've heard the plastic ties degrade from UV.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" wrote
I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you
have
to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be
popped
off with a pliers.

Yes, they do weaken with UV - some that I used on my netting started to fail
after 4 seasons. (Actually, only the white ones failed - I often use red for
rigging, and I've never seen one of those fail.) However, mine all get pulled
when I unrig in the Fall, and its easier to nip off the plastic. Since they
only have to go about 5 months, degrading isn't an issue.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Why? What's the advantage? I've heard the plastic ties degrade from UV.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" wrote
I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you
have
to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be
popped
off with a pliers.

We use stainless steel cable ties for anywhere with high UV exposure
over a long period. Black cable ties will get brittle and fail. I'd
expect a year or so out of them, tho.

PDW

In article , Jeff Morris
wrote:

Yes, they do weaken with UV - some that I used on my netting started to fail
after 4 seasons. (Actually, only the white ones failed - I often use red for
rigging, and I've never seen one of those fail.) However, mine all get
pulled
when I unrig in the Fall, and its easier to nip off the plastic. Since they
only have to go about 5 months, degrading isn't an issue.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why? What's the advantage? I've heard the plastic ties degrade from UV.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" wrote
I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you
have
to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be
popped
off with a pliers.

"Martin Baxter" wrote


Looked up several different manufactures,

I assumed you did, I was too lazy to look it up.



I realize that you can get shackles in different grades, just as you can
chain. How many of you go out and buy grade 70 transport chain

I do, all the time. Have about 300' of it on the truck.


to use on your ground tackle?

OH!


I'll bet most buy proof coil (grade 30), in which case the basic el cheapo
shackle is going to be stronger than the chain anyway.

Not me, I just went out to the barn and cut a length of 3/8' G70.


I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work
loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire,
which
is a pain in the butt some days.

All my shackles are moused w/SS wire.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

DO NOT USE A QUICK LINK!!! Seriously! Never! They fail 100 % of the time at
light loading weights when compared to the chain..

CM

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| 20% stronger? Where did you get that from? I thought that a shackle was
| stronger.
|
| There are different grades of shackles.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| Looked up several different manufactures, typical values for a 5/16" quick
link are around 1700 lb., for a standard grade carbon steel, galvanized
| shackle the number seems to be about 1500 lb.
|
| I realize that you can get shackles in different grades, just as you can
chain. How many of you go out and buy grade 70 transport chain to use on
your
| ground tackle? I'll bet most buy proof coil (grade 30), in which case the
basic el cheapo shackle is going to be stronger than the chain anyway.
|
| I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work
loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire,
which
| is a pain in the butt some days.
|
| Cheers
| Marty
|