More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and
have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now
you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.



On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:


Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?

Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's
no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still
won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode.

Cheers
Marty

he was asking about quick links, marc.


"Marc" wrote in message
...
More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and
have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now
you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.



On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:


Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than
shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?

Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's
shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's
no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some
miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you
still
won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode.

Cheers
Marty

According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm
neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb
chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install
oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain.

This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht,
bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode
packages offered by marine retailers.

After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest
link



On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

he was asking about quick links, marc.


"Marc" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and
have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now
you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.



On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:


Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than
shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?

Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's
shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's
no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some
miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you
still
won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode.

Cheers
Marty

Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert?
I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle
pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a
shackle the next size up from the chain.

--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA



"Marc" wrote in message
...
According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm
neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb
chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install
oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain.

This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht,
bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode
packages offered by marine retailers.

After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest
link



On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

he was asking about quick links, marc.


"Marc" wrote in message
.. .
More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and
have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now
you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.



On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:


Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than
shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?

Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than
it's
shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench
there's
no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by
some
miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you
still
won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode.

Cheers
Marty

Bang on the Mark Scotty.... and Never use a screw type link. The threads
strip in a hurry with very little force and then the entire unit straightens
out! I speak from experience here!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert?
| I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle
| pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a
| shackle the next size up from the chain.
|
| --
| Scotty
| S/V Lisa Marie
| Balt. MD USA
|
|
|
| "Marc" wrote in message
| ...
| According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
| http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm
| neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb
| chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install
| oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain.
|
| This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht,
| bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode
| packages offered by marine retailers.
|
| After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest
| link
|
|
|
| On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
| wrote:
|
| he was asking about quick links, marc.
|
|
| "Marc" wrote in message
| .. .
| More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
| than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg.
and
| have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now
| you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.
|
|
|
| On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
| wrote:
|
|
| Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than
| shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?
|
| Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than
| it's
| shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench
| there's
| no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by
| some
| miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you
| still
| won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode.
|
| Cheers
| Marty
|
|
|

''screw type link'' ? like a quick link?

Scotty

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Bang on the Mark Scotty.... and Never use a screw type link. The threads
strip in a hurry with very little force and then the entire unit
straightens
out! I speak from experience here!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert?
| I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a
shackle
| pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a
| shackle the next size up from the chain.
|
| --
| Scotty
| S/V Lisa Marie
| Balt. MD USA
|
|
|
| "Marc" wrote in message
| ...
| According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
| http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm
| neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb
| chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install
| oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain.
|
| This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht,
| bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode
| packages offered by marine retailers.
|
| After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest
| link
|
|
|
| On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
| wrote:
|
| he was asking about quick links, marc.
|
|
| "Marc" wrote in message
| .. .
| More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
| than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg.
and
| have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge).
Now
| you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.
|
|
|
| On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
| wrote:
|
|
| Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than
| shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?
|
| Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger
than
| it's
| shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench
| there's
| no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and
by
| some
| miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open,
you
| still
| won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the
rode.
|
| Cheers
| Marty
|
|
|

Yup... failed miserably... don't use them.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| ''screw type link'' ? like a quick link?
|
| Scotty
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Bang on the Mark Scotty.... and Never use a screw type link. The threads
| strip in a hurry with very little force and then the entire unit
| straightens
| out! I speak from experience here!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert?
| | I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a
| shackle
| | pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use
a
| | shackle the next size up from the chain.
| |
| | --
| | Scotty
| | S/V Lisa Marie
| | Balt. MD USA
| |
| |
| |
| | "Marc" wrote in message
| | ...
| | According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
| | http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm
| | neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8'
bbb
| | chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install
| | oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain.
| |
| | This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht,
| | bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode
| | packages offered by marine retailers.
| |
| | After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest
| | link
| |
| |
| |
| | On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
| | wrote:
| |
| | he was asking about quick links, marc.
| |
| |
| | "Marc" wrote in message
| | .. .
| | More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is
weaker
| | than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling
mfg.
| and
| | have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge).
| Now
| | you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.
| |
| |
| |
| | On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter

| | wrote:
| |
| |
| | Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather
than
| | shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?
| |
| | Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger
| than
| | it's
| | shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a
wrench
| | there's
| | no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and
| by
| | some
| | miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open,
| you
| | still
| | won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the
| rode.
| |
| | Cheers
| | Marty
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

"Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
Bang on the Mark Scotty....

uh.....no thanks.




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert?
| I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a
shackle
| pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a
| shackle the next size up from the chain.
|
| --
| Scotty
| S/V Lisa Marie
| Balt. MD USA
|
|
|
| "Marc" wrote in message
| ...
| According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
| http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm
| neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb
| chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install
| oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain.
|
| This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht,
| bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode
| packages offered by marine retailers.
|
| After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest
| link
|
|
|
| On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
| wrote:
|
| he was asking about quick links, marc.
|
|
| "Marc" wrote in message
| .. .
| More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
| than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg.
and
| have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge).
Now
| you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle.
|
|
|
| On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter
| wrote:
|
|
| Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than
| shackles to attach the rode to the anchor?
|
| Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger
than
| it's
| shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench
| there's
| no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and
by
| some
| miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open,
you
| still
| won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the
rode.
|
| Cheers
| Marty
|
|
|

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
| Bang on the Mark Scotty....
|
| uh.....no thanks.

Even with a hammer?

CM