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The clue, of course, was it was raining when the fire started. That means hatches were probably dogged. Sealing up the companionway may limit oxygen levels enough to snuff the fire. The Tartan 37 cabin volume is quite moderate. Binary Bill's answer is essentially correct. Of course, there is no guarantee that this will work. The fire may continue long enough to sink the boat by melting seacock hoses open underway. RB |
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More to the point, don't leave liquid fuel open flame fires
untended. Singlehanded? COuld've either +hove to to boil the billy; not going to run into anyone or anything nore get distracted, and can be on hand for immediate fire suppression; or +set the boat self-steering Either way, if singlehanded and needing to fire the stove up, probably need a rest or change anyway. I do one or t'other, depending on how beset I am by nets, other boats, lee shores etc. AND fill a coupla thermoses at a time for a quick drink later Bobsprit wrote: The clue, of course, was it was raining when the fire started. That means hatches were probably dogged. Sealing up the companionway may limit oxygen levels enough to snuff the fire. The Tartan 37 cabin volume is quite moderate. Binary Bill's answer is essentially correct. Of course, there is no guarantee that this will work. The fire may continue long enough to sink the boat by melting seacock hoses open underway. RB -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Gosh, now I am nervous. I sure hope no one sues me for giving such incorrect,
dangerous advice in an authoritative manner. Hopefully, anyone reading this has read my other posts and realizes what a dolt I am when it comes to sailing. |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The clue, of course, was it was raining when the fire started. Good grief!! That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Sealing up the companionway may limit oxygen levels enough to snuff the fire. That is the most stupid thing that I have ever read. The Tartan 37 cabin volume is quite moderate. Binary Bill's answer is essentially correct. Rubbish! Of course, there is no guarantee that this will work. So, why do you suggest that BB gave the correct answer? The fire may continue long enough to sink the boat by melting seacock hoses open underway. Really? Your ignorance on this subject is quite impressive..... Well done! Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message
... .... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The clue, of course, was it was raining when the fire started, so open all the windows and let the rain put it out. RB |
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That means
hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Oh boy...um......BWAHAHAHAHAHA! RB |
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Sealing up the companionway may limit oxygen
levels enough to snuff the fire. That is the most stupid thing that I have ever read. You might want to read up a bit. Closing a door to snuff a fire on a small boat can work. I've read about it several times. Even in a home, fire safety PSA's say to "close the door" if you can't fight the fire effectivley. So...you're wrong again, Donal. RB |
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Really?
Your ignorance on this subject is quite impressive..... Well done! In other words...Donal had no answer and nothing to contribute beyond another troll. And he wasn't ashamed to be obvious about it. RB |
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There are lots of boats, and lots of
situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. No, no, no!!! Poor Donal would NEVER open a hatch on a clear hot day! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
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IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be
left open in moderate conditions. Yup. My C&C's forward hatch will catch a sheet, but a smaller hatch over the main cabin is often left open with no problem. RB |
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don't most cruising boats have vents. I have 2 cowl vents.
Cowl vents probably wouldn't do well at feeding a fire, but that's a good point. I was also thinking of the vents for the engine. Some T37's have replaced the dorades with Nicro vents as well. As I said, closing the hatch MIGHT snuff the fire. At the very least it would buy you time and that's the whole point if you can't fight the fire properly. Leaving the companionway hatch open will just hasten the flames. RB |
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It may just work....but I'd be looking real hard for another way out.
Even to the point or partially sinking the boat to get water above the sole to toss on the fire, remembering that you are alone, stupid enough to only have one fire extinguisher, no fire blanket, no bucket, no dinghy or raft, and have left a fuel fire un attended. I like the idea of partially sinking the boat. The "stupid" elements were part of the question, which obviously dazzled poor Donal. RB |
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ok, let's assume you closed the hatch. Now what?
SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... don't most cruising boats have vents. I have 2 cowl vents. Cowl vents probably wouldn't do well at feeding a fire, but that's a good point. I was also thinking of the vents for the engine. Some T37's have replaced the dorades with Nicro vents as well. As I said, closing the hatch MIGHT snuff the fire. At the very least it would buy you time and that's the whole point if you can't fight the fire properly. Leaving the companionway hatch open will just hasten the flames. RB |
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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 17 Jun 2004 23:55:15 GMT, (Bobsprit) scribbled thusly: That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Oh boy...um......BWAHAHAHAHAHA! RB So you pride yourself on your safety measures yet leave hatches open while sailing? Silly boy, it'll bite you one day. This depends a lot on the boat. Claiming that one rule applies to all boats and all situations doesn't indicate much experience on your part. On the other hand, I think everyone gets bit by this one at least once. On my boat the forward hatches are at severe risk of being flooded because its possible for a wake to wash up on the foredeck - not often, but enough that the hatches must be dogged when underway. The saloon hatches, however, have only seen water once - and that was diving through an 8 foot square wave caused by 25 knots of wind against a 5 knot current at the exit of a canal. This was a very predictable event, for which we had plenty of notice. (It still scared the crap out of my wife when she saw the ocean over here head!) Also, I have two aft hatches facing aft. I can't imaging a case where they would be flooded. One of them, in the shower, hasn't been sealed in all the time I've had the boat. BTW, here's a Tartan 37 - note the forward hatch wide open, and the aft hatch seems to be open facing aft. http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/280G.JPG |
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On 17 Jun 2004 15:09:05 GMT, (Bobspirt) wrote this
crap: Gosh, now I am nervous. I sure hope no one sues me for giving such incorrect, dangerous advice in an authoritative manner. Hopefully, anyone reading this has read my other posts and realizes what a dolt I am when it comes to sailing. We've already found that out. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:53:45 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap: "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. I keep my hatches open so my beer don't get too warm. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote This depends a lot on the boat. and where you are sailing. On the other hand, I think everyone gets bit by this one at least once. On my boat the forward hatches are at severe risk of being flooded because its possible for a wake to wash up on the foredeck - not often, but enough that the hatches must be dogged when underway. The saloon hatches, however, have only seen water once - and that was diving through an 8 foot square wave caused by 25 knots of wind against a 5 knot current at the exit of a canal. Cape Cod Canal I presume? Cool place. We took a wave over the bow of the Mac with the forward hatch open, soaked the v-berth. Learned my lesson. -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA |
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On 18 Jun 2004 00:00:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap: IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. Yup. My C&C's forward hatch will catch a sheet, but a smaller hatch over the main cabin is often left open with no problem. RB I just have to make sure my winecellar door is shut. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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So you pride yourself on your safety measures yet leave hatches open
while sailing? Silly boy, it'll bite you one day. Not on a quiet day on the sheltered waters of the LIS it won't! C'mon, Ozzy. You can open a hatch if conditions allow. Don't be silly. RB |
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ok, let's assume you closed the hatch. Now what?
Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld, make some sort of plan. Whatever you do, you'll have more time to do it with the hatches closed. RB |
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"Bob****" wrote ... So you pride yourself on your safety measures yet leave hatches open while sailing? Silly boy, it'll bite you one day. Not on a quiet day on the sheltered waters of my LIS slip! C'mon, Ozzy. You can open a hatch if conditions allow. Don't be silly. RB |
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The fire may continue long enough to sink the boat by
melting seacock hoses open underway. You couldn't put out the fire with your whisker pole? Apparently it's too short. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld, and which handheld would I be calling from? make some sort of plan. make a plan??? |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... seen water once - and that was diving through an 8 foot square wave caused by 25 knots of wind against a 5 knot current at the exit of a canal. Cape Cod Canal I presume? Cool place. Yup - Eastbound, last year. Westbound it happens more often, because the prevailing SW funnels right up the canal, but the current is a bit less at that end. This day we had a little "mini Nor'easter" to nail us on the way home. I had plenty of warning on the radio, including the large cruiser ahead of us begging the Sandwich Marina for dock space until the tide turned. Although these waves were nastier than any I had seen on the other end, we soon turned North and were clear of the current. On the other end of the canal, once you get into it, there aren't many options but to tough it out for a while. We took a wave over the bow of the Mac with the forward hatch open, soaked the v-berth. Learned my lesson. We were lucky - the time we flooded our berth we had a plastic picnic table cloth spread out as protection against the cats yacking on the bunk. It actually contained a few gallons! Its saved us a few times when unexpected showers caught us off the boat. |
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Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld,
and which handheld would I be calling from? Doesn't matter. You bought a cheap one, so water got to it anyway. You probably also keep your handheld in the cabin where it would also be melting from the flames. RB |
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I sat on the west bank one afternoon while working up there, watching the
current and the boats being swept by it. Cool place. Scotty "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... seen water once - and that was diving through an 8 foot square wave caused by 25 knots of wind against a 5 knot current at the exit of a canal. Cape Cod Canal I presume? Cool place. Yup - Eastbound, last year. Westbound it happens more often, because the prevailing SW funnels right up the canal, but the current is a bit less at that end. This day we had a little "mini Nor'easter" to nail us on the way home. I had plenty of warning on the radio, including the large cruiser ahead of us begging the Sandwich Marina for dock space until the tide turned. Although these waves were nastier than any I had seen on the other end, we soon turned North and were clear of the current. On the other end of the canal, once you get into it, there aren't many options but to tough it out for a while. We took a wave over the bow of the Mac with the forward hatch open, soaked the v-berth. Learned my lesson. We were lucky - the time we flooded our berth we had a plastic picnic table cloth spread out as protection against the cats yacking on the bunk. It actually contained a few gallons! Its saved us a few times when unexpected showers caught us off the boat. |
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"LoserBobsprit" wrote and which handheld would I be calling from? Doesn't matter. You bought a cheap one, YOU don't know that! You probably also keep your handheld in the cabin Wrong! Is that where you keep yours? Loser RB |
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Doesn't matter. You bought a cheap one,
YOU don't know that! Yes I do. RB |
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Certainly a lot have vents - my Nonsuch did. The PDQ doesn't have any, but it
does have 8 large horizontal hatches, plus 8 side hatches. I think the early boats were short on hatches, so they went around poking holes wherever they could. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... don't most cruising boats have vents. I have 2 cowl vents. SV "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. |
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I believe vents, with proper dorades are more for air circ while the boat is
sitting (in the slip) with all hatches closed. SV "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Certainly a lot have vents - my Nonsuch did. The PDQ doesn't have any, but it does have 8 large horizontal hatches, plus 8 side hatches. I think the early boats were short on hatches, so they went around poking holes wherever they could. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... don't most cruising boats have vents. I have 2 cowl vents. SV "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. |
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OzOne wrote in message ... They're usually for the guys who don't mind sleeping in a wet bunk. bob's used to it. .. |
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Scott Vernon wrote: I believe vents, with proper dorades are more for air circ while the boat is sitting (in the slip) with all hatches closed. SV If it has proper dorades, they should have their own drains so that the vents are useable at sea with all the hatches closed and dogged. My bow dorades spit a bit in heavy chop (when the spa bath is working) -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Yes, mine drain out the side, onto the cabin top. The point was, if the
boat had vents then closing the hatch would be futile. BTW a buddy had someone (husband of woman he was 'seeing') try to set his truck on fire. Put a cup of gas in the cab, lit it and closed the door. Took a bit for the cup to melt and spill the gas ( allowed him a getaway) which then burned the insides of the cab, but only for a few moments. It suffocated. The fire chief said that if a window had been cracked open, even 1/4'', the truck would have burnt to the ground. SV "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: I believe vents, with proper dorades are more for air circ while the boat is sitting (in the slip) with all hatches closed. SV If it has proper dorades, they should have their own drains so that the vents are useable at sea with all the hatches closed and dogged. My bow dorades spit a bit in heavy chop (when the spa bath is working) -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Scott Vernon wrote: Yes, mine drain out the side, onto the cabin top. The point was, if the boat had vents then closing the hatch would be futile. No it wouldn't! It'd burn that muych faster and the idiot who left a naked flame untended wouldn't suffer so long before incineration/drowning. I'm a firm believer in a little kindness. BTW a buddy had someone (husband of woman he was 'seeing') try to set his truck on fire. Put a cup of gas in the cab, lit it and closed the door. Took a bit for the cup to melt and spill the gas ( allowed him a getaway) which then burned the insides of the cab, but only for a few moments. It suffocated. The fire chief said that if a window had been cracked open, even 1/4'', the truck would have burnt to the ground. Way way back in our training, we were taught to put out fat fires in fish & chip shops with an asbestos blanket (just smothered) as this gave the shop owner some chance of recovering some of the fat (this is soooo long ago that such places weren't required to have fire blankets...). If one used the alternative of dry powder, the powder would ruin the remaining fat, wheras all the asbestos blanket did was give customers over the next 6 months asbestosis in their future life. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Nutsy,
Leaving an unattended fire is a hell of a lot more unseaman like than sailing with the hatches open!! If it should happen on MY boat (Galley right across from the head annd under the companion way) I would use the hand held shower and spray the fire with water. BUT I would have switched to the inside Steering Station, which my vessel has and I would have been in attendance. Ole Thom |
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Leaving an unattended fire is a hell of a lot more unseaman like than
sailing with the hatches open!! The plot was that you COULDN'T snuff the fire using conventional means. The answer given was a last resort. RB |
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wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:33:23 -0700, (Thom Stewart) wrote: Nutsy, Leaving an unattended fire is a hell of a lot more unseaman like than sailing with the hatches open!! If it should happen on MY boat (Galley right across from the head annd under the companion way) I would use the hand held shower and spray the fire with water. BUT I would have switched to the inside Steering Station, which my vessel has and I would have been in attendance. Ole Thom Not very smart to spray water on burning fuel. It depends on the fuel. In this case its appropriate. |
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BB,
The Cushions and Overhead normally aren't considered FUEL. OT |
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