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sadly, you posted this pathetic crap at 4:20 PM, at that time, I was sailing
by Pooles Island at 7 kts. Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... see? "Bobsprit" wrote in message See what? That you're home, while I'm getting some writing done on board? Yup! Going sailing tonight! RB |
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sadly, you posted this pathetic crap at 4:20 PM, at that time, I was sailing
by Pooles Island at 7 kts. Sorry, Scotty...I spent the day on my boat and working on another boat (Cal 35). Glad you finally went sailing. Perhaps you can salvage the rest of the season. RB |
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"Donal" wrote I've made some big gaffs here over the years - and most of them have been due to the fact that I am really a powerboater at heart.. We all sail in completely different waters. That's not true, several of us sail in the same water. Scotty |
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On Sat., Lisa was in the V-berth reading with the forward hatch open a few
inches. I told her about the 'closed hatch' thread. Sure enough, 15 minutes later some bow spray got her. She closed it and moved to the salon bunk. ;) Scotty "Jeff Morris" wrote Now that's a low blow! BTW, I did realize one factor I had ignored from your weather report: the temperature there is only 60 degrees - if it's that cold when I go out, I have the hatches closed too! We were sealed up today because it was only 70. The issue gets more important when the air temp is over 90 and the water is over 80. |
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On Sat., Lisa was in the V-berth reading with the forward hatch open a few
inches. I told her about the 'closed hatch' thread. Sure enough, 15 minutes later some bow spray got her. You have a badly designed boat. There were no conditions on Sat. that should have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer. Nuff said! RB |
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Is that where you like your boyfriend?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... I believe that puts him several steps above you. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Maybe someday you can try a diet.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On 21 Jun 2004 03:56:20 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this crap: Sorry, Scotty...I spent the day sitting on my boat at the mooring ball. Maybe some day you can try sailing. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Sorry Ozzy, I acknowledged several posts back that the Channel was a special situation. I said: "... you sail in an area with particularly heavy commercial traffic, plus a strong current that often opposes the wind." I also do large chunks of sailing in areas devoid of commercial traffic. I was surprised by one forecast that listed the wave height for most of the Channel as being under a meter for the next few days - I assumed it would almost always be rougher than that. BTW, I don't think Donal keeps his boat in the Channel. The wave height is often less than 1m. That doesn't mean that the hatches can be left open. Waves are not uniform in height. On the small lake in Ireland that I go trout fishing on, the locals say that every 7th wave will be twice as big as the rest. A similiar thing seems to happen at sea.... especially after a wind shift. It is often possible to pick out yesterday's waves travelling at 90 degrees to today's wind/waves. Every so often these two wave patterns will combine to produce a much bigger wave. I assume that this effect must be observable in any strecth of open water. That is one of the reasons that I think that you must sail in extremely sheltered waters. This isn't about what is appropriate for a Channel crossing, or the Sydney-Hobart race. Donal has declared that all sailboats must always stay sealed up, regardless of the boat or the situation. It just isn't so. In my experience, it is necessary to seal up before leaving the berth. Even on calm days, you get the odd rogue wave that appears from nowhere. In the protected waters of the Solent, on an absolutely flat calm day, you get the occasional big "slapper". I'm fairly sure that they are caused by the wakes of big ships bouncing (reflecting) off one shore and crossing the Solent for a second time. Regards Donal -- |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:45:36 +0100, "Donal" scribbled thusly: I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten down your Bendytoy. Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit. Regards Donal Pretty obvious he's never seen The Channel let alone read about or sailed upon it eh Donal. AFAIK, the Channel isn't particularily difficult. Then again, I haven't done much sailing anywhere else. I've sailed in the Med twice, and done Brittany a couple of times. Did you ever visit Brittany? Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you. Guess again. Jeff bought a good quality boat. He has managed to avoid your mistake. 6/10....... but I enjoyed it! Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote
There were no conditions on Sat. that should have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer. RB Well no, not if you don't leave the slip. -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA |
HEY DONAL !
Did you see this one?
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... On Sat., Lisa was in the V-berth reading with the forward hatch open a few inches. I told her about the 'closed hatch' thread. Sure enough, 15 minutes later some bow spray got her. You have a badly designed boat. There were no conditions on Sat. that should have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer. Nuff said! RB |
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. Idiot!!! The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!! Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance. You don't do the nav on your big, polluting, ship - do you? Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Regards Donal -- |
HEY DONAL !
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Did you see this one? I did. Once again, I am reminded of Bob's true genius. He has managed, through meticilous research, to pose as a sailor for many years. Yet, it is clear that he has never been more than a few hundred yards from his slip. Bobsprit's encyclopediac knowledge is only surpassed by his awesome ignorance of all things nautical. Regards Donal -- |
HEY DONAL !
Bobsprit's encyclopediac knowledge is only surpassed by his awesome
ignorance of all things nautical. Well said, Donal...except you're troll is somewhat pointless. You have no idea of the conditions here this past Sat. Nice butt licking of Scotty Potty for you! Congrats! Bwahahahaha! RB |
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That doesn't mean that the hatches
can be left open. Waves are not uniform in height. Right, 1m, but then that odd 8m wave comes a calling! Bwahahaha! What a dope! RB |
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Every so often these two wave patterns will combine
to produce a much bigger wave. I assume that this effect must be observable in any strecth of open water. That is one of the reasons that I think that you must sail in extremely sheltered waters Good gravy! A much bigger wave??? Ahhhhhhh!!!! RB |
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have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer.
RB Well no, not if you don't leave the slip. You didn't leave the slip? Winds were less than 20 knots. Care to explain how you were taking water over the bow? Did you capsize??? RB |
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"Donal" wrote in message
... The wave height is often less than 1m. That doesn't mean that the hatches can be left open. Waves are not uniform in height. On the small lake in Ireland that I go trout fishing on, the locals say that every 7th wave will be twice as big as the rest. Actually, wave height is usually measured as the average of the highest third of all waves. Do the math and you'll find that the stated wave height is the "seventh" wave. But this is beside the point. I'm not talking about leaving the forward hatch wide open in all conditions. Many boats, and most larger boats, have hatches that will stay dry even if the bow is catching occasional spray. A similiar thing seems to happen at sea.... especially after a wind shift. It is often possible to pick out yesterday's waves travelling at 90 degrees to today's wind/waves. Every so often these two wave patterns will combine to produce a much bigger wave. I assume that this effect must be observable in any strecth of open water. Its particular obvious when you pass behind an island that blocks the direct path of otherwise benign swells. Two wave fronts radiate from the sides of the island and cause great mischief when you thought you were headed into the lee. Close the hatches. That is one of the reasons that I think that you must sail in extremely sheltered waters. Much of my sailing is inside of Boston Harbor, or in Buzzard's Bay. Frankly, they are both often sloppier than the open ocean. But at least 10 times a year (often more) for the last 30 years I've had 3000 miles of fetch to the East. However, as I've said the prevailing winds are from the West, so there are plenty of times where the waves just aren't that bad. This isn't about what is appropriate for a Channel crossing, or the Sydney-Hobart race. Donal has declared that all sailboats must always stay sealed up, regardless of the boat or the situation. It just isn't so. In my experience, it is necessary to seal up before leaving the berth. This may indeed be your experience. You must have a very wet boat. I've got one hatch that hasn't been sealed in 8000 miles. Even on calm days, you get the odd rogue wave that appears from nowhere. Is that like the fog, which you claim can happen anytime without notice? In the protected waters of the Solent, on an absolutely flat calm day, you get the occasional big "slapper". I'm fairly sure that they are caused by the wakes of big ships bouncing (reflecting) off one shore and crossing the Solent for a second time. Are you actually claiming that on a calm day everyone in the cockpit could get totally soaked??? You must have a *very* wet boat. |
HEY DONAL !
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Bobsprit's encyclopediac knowledge is only surpassed by his awesome ignorance of all things nautical. You have no idea of the conditions here this past Sat. and neither do you. Nice butt licking of Scotty Potty keep your filthy fantasies to yourself. SV |
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"Bobsprit" proving yet again that he never leaves his wifes' slip wrote ... Waves are not uniform in height. Right, 1m, but then that odd 8m wave comes a calling! Bwahahaha! I'm a dope! RB |
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ya don't really know, now, do ya?
Scotty, playing more line........ "Bobsprit" wrote ... have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer. Care to explain how you were taking water over the bow? RB |
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Many boats, and most larger boats, have hatches
that will stay dry even if the bow is catching occasional spray. Scotty Potty thinks a big wave will crash down on his bow and flood the boat...in less than 20 knots! RB |
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ya don't really know, now, do ya?
Nope...and it didn't rain on Saturday either, but you HAD to keep the hatch shut!!!! Maybe you were washing the boat? Wakes from jetski's??? Bwahahahahaha! RB |
HEY DONAL !
You have no idea
of the conditions here this past Sat. and neither do you. Get the gaff...he's right along side! Bwahahahaha! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote ... ya don't really know, now, do ya? Nope...and it didn't rain on Saturday either, you sure about that? Care to make a bet? Chicken? SV |
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Nope...and it didn't rain on Saturday either,
you sure about that? Care to make a bet? Chicken? So...let's get this straight, folks!!! It rained on saturday with winds under 20 knots (later in the day BTW) and Scotty ended up with water coming over his bow!!!! He's landed right in the cockpit!!! Pass the salt!!!!! Bwahahahahahahaha! RB |
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Have you ever even been on a boat?
Your stupidity is really showing on this thread. The more you write, the dumber you appear. SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Nope...and it didn't rain on Saturday either, you sure about that? Care to make a bet? Chicken? So...let's get this straight, folks!!! It rained on saturday with winds under 20 knots (later in the day BTW) and Scotty ended up with water coming over his bow!!!! He's landed right in the cockpit!!! Pass the salt!!!!! Bwahahahahahahaha! RB |
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In article , Donal
wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. Idiot!!! Well, yeah, we already established that. The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!! Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance. Oh well a little over 2X the distance. Still not very far really. You don't do the nav on your big, polluting, ship - do you? How's the backyard veggie garden going, Donal? Have you stopped eating imported food and using imported fossil fuels yet? Own/drive a car made in England? Was your Bendy made locally or imported? BTW, your 'frozen snot' boat is made from petrochemicals that were undoubtedly transported by big, polluting ships. Perhaps you should give it back and build your own environmentally friendly ship yourself, using native timbers or other local materials. Oh that's right - you can't. You trashed your ecosystem a couple centuries ago and have been surviving by importing ever since. Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Indeed. Your hypocrisy is entertaining. PDW |
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
news:220620041307036781% wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance. Oh well a little over 2X the distance. Still not very far really. Closer than you think - Cherbourg is less than 60 miles from St. Catherine's on the Isle of Wight. If you went 30 miles out you'd be more than half way to France. Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore." But this brings up a question: at what point is one "Offshore"? Is it off soundings? Out of sight of land? In the US it could be the 3-mile line, or the ColRegs line (dividing Inland from International Rules). For license purposes on the US East Coast, 10 miles out is still "Inland", out to 200 miles is Near-Coastal, further out is Offshore. |
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Nutsy;
I hope some one; some where; at some time, explained the FIRE TRIANGLE to you! By closing up the Cabin you are probably creating a very large BOMB! After closing the Companion Way, You better be damn sure Air (Oxygen) isn't allowed to enter again! Ole Thom |
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Hey Nutsy,
Do you store that Hatch Board in the Cockpit? Most people that have Hatch Board store them below where they would be engulfed in the Fire!!! They are stored below so as not to be lost overboard. Please tell us where you keep yours and how you secure it and we'll look for it in your pictures that you have posted. :^) Ole Thom P/S My boat has Companionway Doors. |
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By closing up the Cabin you are probably creating a very large BOMB!
After closing the Companion Way, You better be damn sure Air (Oxygen) isn't allowed to enter again! Sealing off a fire is key for fighting it. One of my best friends for the last 18 years is a fireman for the FDNY and he agreed with the idea of closing the hatch as a final line of defense. RB |
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Nutsy,
A three piece hatchboard is the better of companion way closure. It allows better storage (easier) You can add a single board to increase the height of the bridge deck. You can add the top & bottom boards and duce tape plastic screening over the middle for ventilation. The single Fibre glass Hatch board is the cheapest but far from being the best. Ole Thom |
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Anybody that would store an anchor behind the mast on the coach roof
probably stows his hatchboard(s) in the anchor locker. Scotty "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Nutsy, Do you store that Hatch Board in the Cockpit? Most people that have Hatch Board store them below where they would be engulfed in the Fire!!! They are stored below so as not to be lost overboard. Please tell us where you keep yours and how you secure it and we'll look for it in your pictures that you have posted. :^) Ole Thom P/S My boat has Companionway Doors. |
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"Bobsprit" wrote Sealing off a fire is key for fighting it. One of my boyfriends for the last 18 years is a fireman for the FDNY and he agreed with the idea of closing the hatch as a final line of defense. RiBit |
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I was mistaken, I have 4 boards. MacGregors have one big FG board. Nuff
said? Scotty "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Nutsy, A three piece hatchboard is the better of companion way closure. It allows better storage (easier) You can add a single board to increase the height of the bridge deck. You can add the top & bottom boards and duce tape plastic screening over the middle for ventilation. The single Fibre glass Hatch board is the cheapest but far from being the best. Ole Thom |
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Nutsy,
If your friend in the NYFD advices sealing the fire, please have him explain the need for Fire Axes on their trucks. Nutsy, I do believe you've busted yourself once again. Ole Thom |
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