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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. Where do you sail? ...in a river? IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. I wonder how you define "moderate" conditions???? BTW, I've been on a Tartan 37, and I wouldn't sail it with any hatches open unless I was going up a canal, or a river. Regards Donal -- |
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"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:53:45 -0400, "Jeff Morris" wrote this crap: I keep my hatches open so my beer don't get too warm. I keep plenty of beer in the fridge. You should try it!! Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... ok, let's assume you closed the hatch. Now what? Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld, Handheld????? Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa! Would you care to tell us what the range of your handheld is? Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... It may just work....but I'd be looking real hard for another way out. Even to the point or partially sinking the boat to get water above the sole to toss on the fire, remembering that you are alone, stupid enough to only have one fire extinguisher, no fire blanket, no bucket, no dinghy or raft, and have left a fuel fire un attended. I like the idea of partially sinking the boat. The "stupid" elements were part of the question, which obviously dazzled poor Donal. Bob, unlike you, I have actually experienced a fire on board. You are giving out very dangerous advice. Your comment about using a handheld VHF summed it all up perfectly. You have no idea at all about how a fire will behave on a boat -- just as you have no idea about the usefulness of a handheld. Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Sealing up the companionway may limit oxygen levels enough to snuff the fire. That is the most stupid thing that I have ever read. You might want to read up a bit. Closing a door to snuff a fire on a small boat can work. Most of the ng boats are about 30 feet long. If you are unlucky enough to have a fire, then you only have a few seconds to decide if you can extinguish it, - or if you need to evacuate the boat. Unless you have a boat like a Dehler (with its lifting washboards) you would be better off concentrating your efforts on launching the liferaft. I've read about it several times. Even in a home, fire safety PSA's say to "close the door" if you can't fight the fire effectivley. Idiot! Closing the door in your home doesn't take any time! So...you're wrong again, Donal. No. Regards Donal -- |
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don't most cruising boats have vents. I have 2 cowl vents.
SV "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:23:23 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap: Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping. You meaned, "passed out." Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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didn't he say he was out of radio range? Or was that the *other* movie
plot? SV "Donal" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... ok, let's assume you closed the hatch. Now what? Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld, Handheld????? Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa! Would you care to tell us what the range of your handheld is? Regards Donal -- |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... ok, let's assume you closed the hatch. Now what? Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld, Handheld????? Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa! Would you care to tell us what the range of your handheld is? bob has the absolute best, most powerful, most expensive handheld ever made. |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote Way way back in our training, we were taught to put out fat fires in fish & chip shops with an asbestos blanket (just smothered) as this gave the shop owner some chance of recovering some of the fat (this is soooo long ago that such places weren't required to have fire blankets...). If one used the alternative of dry powder, the powder would ruin the remaining fat, wheras all the asbestos blanket did was give customers over the next 6 months asbestosis in their future life. Bah! A little asbestos never hurt nobody. the pillows in our guest room are stuffed with it. Scotty |
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Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote Way way back in our training, we were taught to put out fat fires in fish & chip shops with an asbestos blanket (just smothered) as this gave the shop owner some chance of recovering some of the fat (this is soooo long ago that such places weren't required to have fire blankets...). If one used the alternative of dry powder, the powder would ruin the remaining fat, wheras all the asbestos blanket did was give customers over the next 6 months asbestosis in their future life. Bah! A little asbestos never hurt nobody. the pillows in our guest room are stuffed with it. Hey, half of Sydney grew up in asbestos houses and it didn't affect them--look at Oz and Peter Wiley. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote Bah! A little asbestos never hurt nobody. the pillows in our guest room are stuffed with it. Hey, half of Sydney grew up in asbestos houses and it didn't affect them--look at Oz and Peter Wiley. Yikes! I'll give them to a homeless shelter 1st thing tomorrow. SV |
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Time to inflate the raft, get your vest on, call for help on the handheld,
Handheld????? Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa! Would you care to tell us what the range of your handheld is? Which one? The VHF or the 2M? RB |
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Handheld????? Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa!
Would you care to tell us what the range of your handheld is? bob has the absolute best, most powerful, most expensive handheld ever made. Icom M1v and the HP setting puts out 6.7 watts. I also have a connector to allow it to be hooked up to my masthead antenna. RB |
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Bob, unlike you, I have actually experienced a fire on board.
You are giving out very dangerous advice. No, Donal. You're lying about fighting a fire on board, but I did have to put out an alcohol stove fire once. Closing the hatch/door is the final defense when a on board fire is out of comtrol. Period. RB |
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Your comment about using a handheld VHF summed it all up perfectly.
Poor donal. No imagination to deal with a hypothetical problem. Who's on first, Donal? RB |
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I've read about it several times. Even in a home, fire safety PSA's
say to "close the door" if you can't fight the fire effectivley. Idiot! Closing the door in your home doesn't take any time! Ummmm...Donal, I have a single hatchboard. I can slide it in place in less than 2.5 seconds. Does your Beneteau have a jigsaw puzzle for a hatch or are you suffering from OCD? Good Gravy! Bwahahahahahaha!!! RB |
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"Donal" wrote in message
... "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping. You don't prepare meals or eat? Often as not, someone will be down below. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. Where do you sail? ...in a river? Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or less. Of course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in the lee of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about 10 times. On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following where we had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so the chop was 4-5 feet. Most of the trips we had small chop on long swells - almost any boat over 35 feet should stay bone dry. IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that could be left open in moderate conditions. I wonder how you define "moderate" conditions???? You like to gauge everything by your personal experiance, but you sail in an area with particualrly heavy commerical traffic, plus a strong current that often opposes the wind. There are lots of places where one can sail and expect to stay reasonably dry. And there are lots of boats that have hatches far enough aft that are dry in most conditions. Many boats have hatches that are virtually impossible to flood in anything other than severe weather. My Nonsuch had a large hatch forward which stayed closed, but two small hatches aft, over the galley and head - there's no reason to dog them down if there's no water on deck. Of course if the skipper is so unskilled that he can't recognise when its time to batten down, he's probably better off just sealing up all the time. BTW, I've been on a Tartan 37, and I wouldn't sail it with any hatches open unless I was going up a canal, or a river. Good for you. |
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"Bobsprit" wrote No, Donal. You're lying about fighting a fire on board, but I did have alcohol once. |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Handheld????? Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa! Would you care to tell us what the range of your handheld is? bob has the absolute best, most powerful, most expensive handheld ever made. Icom M1v and the HP setting puts out 6.7 watts. I also have a connector to allow it to be hooked up to my masthead antenna. RB |
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most boats in the 30'~36' range have 3 hatchboards. I store mine below, as
do most that I've seen. Your made up scenario is stupid. SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I've read about it several times. Even in a home, fire safety PSA's say to "close the door" if you can't fight the fire effectivley. Idiot! Closing the door in your home doesn't take any time! Ummmm...Donal, I have a single hatchboard. I can slide it in place in less than 2.5 seconds. Does your Beneteau have a jigsaw puzzle for a hatch or are you suffering from OCD? Good Gravy! Bwahahahahahaha!!! RB |
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bob stores his hatchboard on the dock, so it's always handy.
S "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I've read about it several times. Even in a home, fire safety PSA's say to "close the door" if you can't fight the fire effectivley. Idiot! Closing the door in your home doesn't take any time! Ummmm...Donal, I have a single hatchboard. I can slide it in place in less than 2.5 seconds. Does your Beneteau have a jigsaw puzzle for a hatch or are you suffering from OCD? Good Gravy! Bwahahahahahaha!!! RB |
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most boats in the 30'~36' range have 3 hatchboards. I store mine below, as
do most that I've seen. Your made up scenario is stupid. Pearson 30: 1 hatchboard C&C 29, 32, 33: 1 hatchboard Hunter 40: Two hatchboards My buddies P39 also had one. Oday 35...One again! Many boats I see no have two or even one. Makes things easier. Poor Scotty Potty! Can't get anything right. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message See what? That you're home, while I'm getting some writing done on board? Yup! Going sailing tonight! RB |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... That means hatches were probably dogged. Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway. Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day. On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping. You don't prepare meals or eat? Often as not, someone will be down below. There are lots of boats, and lots of situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch open. I would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway, weather permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have been cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years. Where do you sail? ...in a river? Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or less. Of course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in the lee of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about 10 times. Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh? I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog. On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following where we had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so the chop was 4-5 feet. 4 to 5 feet??? That MUST have been really awful! Your crew didn't panic, did they Most of the trips we had small chop on long swells - almost any boat over 35 feet should stay bone dry. So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob! Regards Donal -- |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... see? Yup! You were absolutely correct! Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Bob, unlike you, I have actually experienced a fire on board. You are giving out very dangerous advice. No, Donal. You're lying about fighting a fire on board, but I did have to put out an alcohol stove fire once. Tell us about it? I bet that closing the hatches didn't have anything to do with your survival. Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I've read about it several times. Even in a home, fire safety PSA's say to "close the door" if you can't fight the fire effectivley. Idiot! Closing the door in your home doesn't take any time! Ummmm...Donal, I have a single hatchboard. I can slide it in place in less than 2.5 seconds. Does your Beneteau have a jigsaw puzzle for a hatch or are you suffering from OCD? I have a single hatchboard (unfortunately). When we are underway we store it in the aft locker. We could launch the liferaft in the same time that it would take to get the washboard. Regards Donal -- |
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So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!
Warning!!! Donal actually believes that he's some kind of experienced sailor over those who sail on lakes, rivers and "protected" waters! He also sails a Beneteau! He also sails very few vessels, among the lowest count here! RB |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... .... Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or less. Of course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in the lee of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about 10 times. Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh? Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest trip we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from our berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's Vineyard, around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The first leg is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore. In the 5 years we've had this boat we've logged about 8000 miles, ranging from Toronto to Maine, to Florida. I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog. I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny shtick you have there. On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following where we had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so the chop was 4-5 feet. 4 to 5 feet??? That MUST have been really awful! Your crew didn't panic, did they They weren't happy when we dove through an 8 foot square wave - I thought it was fun, but I could see to was the worst of the set. BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height was considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning. You'll learn about this when you read that book. I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten down your Bendytoy. |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message ... ... Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or less. Of course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in the lee of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about 10 times. Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh? Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest trip we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from our berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's Vineyard, around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The first leg is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore. In the 5 years we've had this boat we've logged about 8000 miles, ranging from Toronto to Maine, to Florida. I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog. I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny shtick you have there. I'm quite surprised that you accuse me of using "book" knowledge. I've made some big gaffs here over the years - and most of them have been due to the fact that I post the truth as I see it. I've learned an awful lot from this ng, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. You, on the other hand, seem to feel that you are so experienced that you can only dispense wisdom. I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you. We all sail in completely different waters. Our communication gives us the ability to learn from one another. I've learned things from reading your posts. BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height was considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning. You'll learn about this when you read that book. I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten down your Bendytoy. Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit. Regards Donal -- |
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I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you. Guess again. Jeff bought a good quality boat. He has managed to avoid your mistake. RB |
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"Donal" wrote in message
... I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny shtick you have there. I'm quite surprised that you accuse me of using "book" knowledge. I've made some big gaffs here over the years - and most of them have been due to the fact that I post the truth as I see it. No Donal, I didn't accuse you of using "book" knowledge. I accused you of stating what you assumed must be in the book, because it made sense to you. I've learned an awful lot from this ng, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. You, on the other hand, seem to feel that you are so experienced that you can only dispense wisdom. I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you. You're being quite the hypocrite here. I only said the each skipper should make there own decision based on their boat and the situation. You're the one who dogmatically proclaimed "Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway." Now, if you had said that you always do it, because of the nature of your boat, or the area you sail, or the size of the crew, it would have been an interesting, informative post. But you declared unequivocally, for all boats, for all situations, for all time, "Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway." Now you're accusing me of only be capable of "dispensing wisdom" because I've offered situations where perhaps your dogmatic rule doesn't apply. You're a real piece of work, Donal. We all sail in completely different waters. Our communication gives us the ability to learn from one another. I've learned things from reading your posts. And I yours. I'm just yanking your chain here. BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height was considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning. You'll learn about this when you read that book. I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten down your Bendytoy. Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit. Now that's a low blow! BTW, I did realize one factor I had ignored from your weather report: the temperature there is only 60 degrees - if it's that cold when I go out, I have the hatches closed too! We were sealed up today because it was only 70. The issue gets more important when the air temp is over 90 and the water is over 80. |
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Sorry Ozzy, I acknowledged several posts back that the Channel was a special
situation. I said: "... you sail in an area with particularly heavy commercial traffic, plus a strong current that often opposes the wind." I was surprised by one forecast that listed the wave height for most of the Channel as being under a meter for the next few days - I assumed it would almost always be rougher than that. BTW, I don't think Donal keeps his boat in the Channel. This isn't about what is appropriate for a Channel crossing, or the Sydney-Hobart race. Donal has declared that all sailboats must always stay sealed up, regardless of the boat or the situation. It just isn't so. OzOne wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:45:36 +0100, "Donal" scribbled thusly: I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten down your Bendytoy. Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit. Regards Donal Pretty obvious he's never seen The Channel let alone read about or sailed upon it eh Donal. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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In article , Jeff Morris
wrote: "Donal" wrote in message ... ... Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or less. Of course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in the lee of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about 10 times. Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh? Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest trip we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from our berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's Vineyard, around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The first leg is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore. Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. PDW |
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In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote: Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote Way way back in our training, we were taught to put out fat fires in fish & chip shops with an asbestos blanket (just smothered) as this gave the shop owner some chance of recovering some of the fat (this is soooo long ago that such places weren't required to have fire blankets...). If one used the alternative of dry powder, the powder would ruin the remaining fat, wheras all the asbestos blanket did was give customers over the next 6 months asbestosis in their future life. Bah! A little asbestos never hurt nobody. the pillows in our guest room are stuffed with it. Hey, half of Sydney grew up in asbestos houses and it didn't affect them--look at Oz and Peter Wiley. Nah, it was a brick house. The garage was asbestos cement sheeting. Trick we used to do as kida was throw bits of a/c sheeting in the fire. It'd delaminate with a nice bang and send bits everywhere. Kids are such a protected species these days. PDW |
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In article , Thom
Stewart wrote: Nutsy, Leaving an unattended fire is a hell of a lot more unseaman like than sailing with the hatches open!! If it should happen on MY boat (Galley right across from the head annd under the companion way) I would use the hand held shower and spray the fire with water. BUT I would have switched to the inside Steering Station, which my vessel has and I would have been in attendance. Pick up the fire blanket, throw it over the fire, stand by with dry powder extinguisher and BTW on my boat it'd be a large one not one of those 10 second toys. Taddy's right. PDW |
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huh?
"Bobsprit" wrote Many boats I see no have two or even one. I can't get anything right. RB |
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huh?
Scotty Potty's typical response! RB |
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