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If your friend in the NYFD advices sealing the fire, please have him
explain the need for Fire Axes on their trucks. Sorry, Thom. Your dead wrong. For years the FDNY has been running a campaign "Close the Door" as part of their effort to save lives. Read on from the FDNY site.... Get everyone out. Stay low as you go out. Close but don't lock all doors in the apartment as you leave. Alert others on the floor by knocking on doors. Activate the fire alarm if there is one. Go down the nearest STAIRWAY, holding the railing. Call the Fire Department from a floor BELOW THE FIRE or from a street fire alarm box outside. If the Fire is NOT in Your Apartment Stay inside rather than entering smoke-filled hallways, especially if the fire is on a floor below your apartment. Keep your door closed. Seal the door with duct tape or wet sheets and towels. Seal ventilators and any other openings where smoke may enter. Turn off air conditioners. Fill your bathtub with water. If the front door gets hot, wet it down. Unless flames or smoke are coming from below, open your windows a few inches at the top or bottom. Don't break the windows; they may need to be closed later. Call the Fire Department with your apartment number and a description of the conditions in your apartment. Firefighters will be directed to your location. If you feel you are in grave danger, open a window and wave a bed sheet for firefighters to spot you. The link...http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/sa...highrise.shtml Like I said, Thom. I didn't make this up. It's basic fire survival. Closing the door is the final defense, cutting off the heat from you and limiting oxygen to the fire. RB |
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And still more for you, Thom. As you can see I was 100% right and Ozzy and a
few others saw the sense...or at least looked it up. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/022298tip2.htm Procedures for Fighting a Fire Onboard RESTRICT the fire Shut off air supply to the fire - close hatches, ports, etc. De-energize electrical systems in affected space Set fire boundaries to confine the fire Shut off fuel supply and ventilation Maneuver vessel to minimize the effect of wind on the fire Prior to activating fixed extinguishing system, ensure that all personnel have been evacuated from the space Even at your age, you can still learn a few things, Thom. I don't know what donal's excuse is. Scotty's excuse is that he's a bloody moron. RB |
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Thom, it's well known that sealing off afire will help contain it.
No worries, Ozzy. I just posted links that should quiet him down. He's quite peppy lately! RB |
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Oz & Nutsy,
For the both of you, the Axes are used to vent the Fire areas. This is to minimize the danger of explosion. Cutting a hole in the roof of a burning building isn't done to rescue personnel. It is done to prevent "FLASH BACK" down below. Good God!! Guys do you close up your vessel during fuelling? I think that the both of you should do some serious research, and fast, about fire safety. A ship board fire should be fought and extinguished until it is out or you have to step up to your "Inflatable" Remember the best method is not to have one. Any fire left UNATTENDED, should be left with a plan to fight the fire is it gets out of hand. Ole Thom |
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They are stored below so as not to be lost overboard. Please tell us
where you keep yours and how you secure it and we'll look for it in your pictures that you have posted. :^) You lose again, Thom. The hatchboard is generally kept in the cockpit locker. You just can't admit your wrong, Thom. Pretty sad for an old fella. RB |
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Good God!! Guys do you close up your vessel during fuelling? I think
that the both of you should do some serious research, and fast, about fire safety. Thom, I posted links showing you're wrong. The final line of defense is to confine and slow the fire. Again, try READING the facts....Scroll down to RESTRICT THE FIRE section and learn. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/022298tip2.htm RB |
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Nutsy,
You've made quite a few good points. I'm not sure yet. They are setting-up the fire area to make ready for the activation of the installed extinguishing system. This I have to agree with. The area needs to be sealed. They are still talking of putting the fire out. They aren't talking about sealing and leaving!! This is still my point. I don't have an extinguishing system!! I would have to bring down my Jenny and soak it in the water and try and use it to smother the fire and feeding water with a bucket to keep it wet. For this I would need the companion way. If I couldn't enter, I'd use the whisker pole and boat hook to position the wet Jenny. If I couldn't get to the forward part of the cabin I'd use the Hatchet, I keep in the stern locker with the bolt cutters I keep there. (To cut away a knocked down mast) to chop a hole in the coach roof. I would be getting water on that damned fire. That scenario you post for the High Rise in NYC really doesn't apply to a vessel on the High Sea. In my mind! I admit you made some points but I think you have applied them wrong. You can't run out into the street or wave a sheet out the window for a fireman. It is just you and your vessel against the damned fire. PUT IT OUT. Don't set up an explosion. That would be THE END Ole Thom |
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So Nutsy,
I guess you came up with enough research to back your point. I'm tipping my hat to you, and honoring your answer. Your point and serve!! However, I don't think you can seal the Cabin due to vents, bilge limber holes, shower drains, etc. I've sealed my engine area by using "Pampers" but the rest of the bilge is connected. Will it support combustion? I don't know? I do vent the Pilothouse when I use the "Heat Pal" alcohol heater to maintain oxygen level. I have to defer to your point of view. So, I give you; Check and Mate. Ole Thom |
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In article , Thom
Stewart wrote: Nutsy, You've made quite a few good points. I'm not sure yet. They are setting-up the fire area to make ready for the activation of the installed extinguishing system. This I have to agree with. The area needs to be sealed. They are still talking of putting the fire out. They aren't talking about sealing and leaving!! This is still my point. I don't have an extinguishing system!! I would have to bring down my Jenny and soak it in the water and try and use it to smother the fire and feeding water with a bucket to keep it wet. For this I would need the companion way. If I couldn't enter, I'd use the whisker pole and boat hook to position the wet Jenny. If I couldn't get to the forward part of the cabin I'd use the Hatchet, I keep in the stern locker with the bolt cutters I keep there. (To cut away a knocked down mast) to chop a hole in the coach roof. I would be getting water on that damned fire. That scenario you post for the High Rise in NYC really doesn't apply to a vessel on the High Sea. In my mind! Didn't read Bob****'s post but the 'seal up the space' scenario does happen on big ships which are designed/built with watertight, airtight doors and halon firefighting systems. Been there done that. First we tried to snuff the fire and when it was obvious we couldn't, sealed the spaces and released the halon. Waited hours to see if the space was cooling or not. 24 hours later, re-entered the space to check it out and start fixing the mess. This is a one-shot; if the fire flares again your halon system is gone and so is the ship so you do wait and then you enter the space wearing full BA and close the door behind you to minimise oxygen entry. I don't recommend ever trying this unless there's no other choice. However I doubt its applicability to small pleasure craft. As part of our biannual training we fight fires in simulated bilge spaces. Putting out an oil based fire when it can reflash from a space out of reach of extinguishers (under deck plates etc) is a real *******. How many small pleasure craft can seal well enough to choke off airflow? A steel boat, maybe, but even an aluminium boat, the Al melts at a bit under 660C and distorts/slumps earlier. Even if the boat seals at ambient temperature, it probably won't with a heated gas plume and open fire going. PDW |
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ANd the moral of that tail is not to let Bobsprit's scenario even
begin to start. The cook stays in the galley while an open liquid (or gas)flame is on. If some other emergency arises requiring ondeck attendance, then a twist of th wrist will shut the flame off...! (solid fuel fires are simple: open the seacocks...) Peter Wiley wrote: In article , Thom Stewart wrote: Nutsy, You've made quite a few good points. I'm not sure yet. They are setting-up the fire area to make ready for the activation of the installed extinguishing system. This I have to agree with. The area needs to be sealed. They are still talking of putting the fire out. They aren't talking about sealing and leaving!! This is still my point. I don't have an extinguishing system!! I would have to bring down my Jenny and soak it in the water and try and use it to smother the fire and feeding water with a bucket to keep it wet. For this I would need the companion way. If I couldn't enter, I'd use the whisker pole and boat hook to position the wet Jenny. If I couldn't get to the forward part of the cabin I'd use the Hatchet, I keep in the stern locker with the bolt cutters I keep there. (To cut away a knocked down mast) to chop a hole in the coach roof. I would be getting water on that damned fire. That scenario you post for the High Rise in NYC really doesn't apply to a vessel on the High Sea. In my mind! Didn't read Bob****'s post but the 'seal up the space' scenario does happen on big ships which are designed/built with watertight, airtight doors and halon firefighting systems. Been there done that. First we tried to snuff the fire and when it was obvious we couldn't, sealed the spaces and released the halon. Waited hours to see if the space was cooling or not. 24 hours later, re-entered the space to check it out and start fixing the mess. This is a one-shot; if the fire flares again your halon system is gone and so is the ship so you do wait and then you enter the space wearing full BA and close the door behind you to minimise oxygen entry. I don't recommend ever trying this unless there's no other choice. However I doubt its applicability to small pleasure craft. As part of our biannual training we fight fires in simulated bilge spaces. Putting out an oil based fire when it can reflash from a space out of reach of extinguishers (under deck plates etc) is a real *******. How many small pleasure craft can seal well enough to choke off airflow? A steel boat, maybe, but even an aluminium boat, the Al melts at a bit under 660C and distorts/slumps earlier. Even if the boat seals at ambient temperature, it probably won't with a heated gas plume and open fire going. PDW |
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ANd the moral of that tail is not to let Bobsprit's scenario even
begin to start. But THAT scenario IS the WHAT IF question. To talk of defeating the fire is simply not part of the question. RB |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote
Nutsy, That scenario you post for the High Rise in NYC really doesn't apply to a vessel on the High Sea. In my mind! it does for bob, as that's where he does most of his 'sailing'. SV |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message .... Good God!! Guys do you close up your vessel during fuelling? I'm not sure what you're saying here Thom; I believe one should keep a boat closed up when taking on fuel, especially gas. |
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Yes, I know. It's just that scenarios based on rank stupidity
irritate me. Bobsprit wrote: ANd the moral of that tail is not to let Bobsprit's scenario even begin to start. But THAT scenario IS the WHAT IF question. To talk of defeating the fire is simply not part of the question. RB -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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You lose again, Thom. The hatchboard is generally kept in the cockpit locker.
You just can't admit your wrong, Thom. Pretty sad for an old fella. Pot, kettle, black, except for the "old fella" part. But we can just substitue "fat fella". |
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Good God!! Guys do you close up your vessel during fuelling? I think
that the both of you should do some serious research, and fast, about fire safety. Thom, I posted links showing you're wrong. The final line of defense is to confine and slow the fire. Again, try READING the facts....Scroll down to RESTRICT THE FIRE section and learn. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/022298tip2.htm Who cares what this says? If anyone thinks sealing up a vessel in the hopes that it will put out a fire while you wait on deck not knowing or doing anything, then he is an idiot, regardless of the size of his stern ladder. |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote ...
Yes, I know. It's just that scenarios based on rank stupidity irritate me. What else would you expect from a wanabe hollywood failure? |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote I'm not sure what you're saying here Thom; I believe one should keep a boat closed up, especially when I have gas. Phewwwwww..... |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore." You are hallucinating, Jeff. What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour entrance is "offshore"? I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark. Regards Donal -- |
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"Bobspirt" wrote in message ... Who cares what this says? If anyone thinks sealing up a vessel in the hopes that it will put out a fire while you wait on deck not knowing or doing anything, then he is an idiot, regardless of the size of his stern ladder. Well said, Bob. Regards Donal -- |
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Jeff,
I've said this before but I guess at my age I'm allowed to repeat a story; " When I was still racing with my Female crew, I use to supply Bakery Cookie on the downwind leg. I would really strain to hold my gas until the final tack was completed, then I'd go below to get the bag of cookies. While in the Cabin I would let go with a real, ripper. I mean a Fart that only age can manufacture. Then I would return to the cockpit with the bag of cookies and thermos's of coffee and tea and take over the helm for the downwind leg. You have to have a female crew to get the full effect of as well "Passed Gas" The aroma drifting up from the cabin created enough visual response over enough time to create laughter in this old man. I was the main sail trimmer on the upwind legs. The Girls had double duty. They had to figure the tack to carry the mark and to keep "Ole Dad" from dropping into the cabin. I was put on the helm to turn the windward mark. Even without the Aid of the cabin and the wind going downwind, I could cut loose and the smell would linger in the cockpit long enough to get the crew to have to free one hand from cookie eating to fan their faces. (They use to make a special tell-tale out of duct tape and yarn and stick it on the seat of my pants) Ah, the joys of Cruising Class racing with a all girl crew; they sure did teach me to not take myself to serious! Never had a fire and I'll drink to that!! Ole Thom |
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Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote ... Yes, I know. It's just that scenarios based on rank stupidity irritate me. What else would you expect from a wanabe hollywood failure? unfair, Scotty. I'd be really really nice to Bobsprit for a long long time if he'd just assign his royalties from "through dead eyes" to me. Flying Tadpole |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote ... Yes, I know. It's just that scenarios based on rank stupidity irritate me. What else would you expect from a wanabe hollywood failure? unfair, Scotty. Since when are we supposed to be fair? I'd be really really nice to Bobsprit for a long long time if he'd just assign his royalties from "through dead eyes" to me. You'd even hold his hand? |
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What was *I* wrong about?
Scotty "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... So Nutsy, I guess you came up with enough research to back your point. I'm tipping my hat to you, and honoring your answer. Your point and serve!! However, I don't think you can seal the Cabin due to vents, bilge limber holes, shower drains, etc. I've sealed my engine area by using "Pampers" but the rest of the bilge is connected. Will it support combustion? I don't know? I do vent the Pilothouse when I use the "Heat Pal" alcohol heater to maintain oxygen level. I have to defer to your point of view. So, I give you; Check and Mate. Ole Thom |
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Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote ... Yes, I know. It's just that scenarios based on rank stupidity irritate me. What else would you expect from a wanabe hollywood failure? unfair, Scotty. Since when are we supposed to be fair? I'd be really really nice to Bobsprit for a long long time if he'd just assign his royalties from "through dead eyes" to me. You'd even hold his hand? W-e-e-e-l-l-l-l....I'd want to know first just how big the royalties were.... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Capt Neal putzes once more at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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"Donal" wrote
"Jeff Morris" wrote Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore." You are hallucinating, Jeff. What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour entrance is "offshore"? I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the "out of context cops"??? OK, if you insist, let's review: Peter said: Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. And you responded: Idiot!!! The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!! Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance. It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of "offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you mention that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you might have said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of departure from the British coast. Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to Peter's claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away. But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger measure. And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty sore right now! -jeff "As ye butter your bread, so shall ye lie in it." |
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Guess what? It's 240 km across Bass Strait. Nobody considers that's offshore sailing. People kayak across. PDW In article , Jeff Morris wrote: "Donal" wrote "Jeff Morris" wrote Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore." You are hallucinating, Jeff. What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour entrance is "offshore"? I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the "out of context cops"??? OK, if you insist, let's review: Peter said: Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. And you responded: Idiot!!! The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!! Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance. It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of "offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you mention that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you might have said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of departure from the British coast. Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to Peter's claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away. But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger measure. And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty sore right now! -jeff "As ye butter your bread, so shall ye lie in it." |
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Peter Wiley wrote:
Guess what? It's 240 km across Bass Strait. Nobody considers that's offshore sailing. People kayak across. No, not people, however Austrailians do! ;-) Cheers Marty |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote "Jeff Morris" wrote Donal complains about your geography, but he considers the Portsmouth Harbour entrance, which is about 8 miles up the Solent, to be "offshore." You are hallucinating, Jeff. What on Earth makes you say that I think that Portsmouth Harbour entrance is "offshore"? I really think that you should consider withdrawing that silly remark. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you going to do, turn me in to the "out of context cops"??? OK, if you insist, let's review: Peter said: Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit France. And you responded: Idiot!!! The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!! Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth Harbour entrance. It sure seems to me that you were trying to claim that the measuring of "offshore" begins at your harbor entrance. Otherwise, why would you mention that point as opposed to any other point along the way? If not, you might have said Cherbourg is 56 miles off from St. Catherine's, your actual point of departure from the British coast. Nonsense! I don't go anywhere near St Cat's when I go to Cherbourg. Actually, most measures of "offshore" start a ways out, perhaps 12 miles. But that starts looking pretty close to Peter's claim - not bad for someone 12,000 miles away. Really, Jeff! Is there no limit to the ignorance that you are willing to display in a public forum? There are *two* major flaws in your (very weak) argument. 1) If you sailed 30 miles offshore - how far from the shore would you be? I am sure that you are not stupid enough to persist in your lame assertion that I am actually 18 miles "Offshore" when I have sailed 30 miles out from the shore. 2) I don't sail anywhere near St. Catherine's point when I go to Cherbourg! If you want to move my "shore" out to sea, then you could use Bembridge Ledge. That is still 64 miles from Cherbourg. But you wanted to play the pompous ass, so you had to use the larger measure. Nope! I made a factual statement. BTW, I'm much better at pomposity than you are! And being greedy, you picked the furthest distance and got burned. Sorry Donal - you got just what you deserve. I'll bet your petard is pretty sore right now! Jeff, you should take another look at the chart. My route to Cherbourg involves a trip to Bembridge Ledge, followed by a beeline to Cherbourg. Peter said that I would hit France if I Went 30 miles offshore. You are a pair of idiots. Regards Donal -- -jeff "As ye butter your bread, so shall ye lie in it." |
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If it's a standing wave, what's the problem.. We have those
near the Golden Gate bridge somewhat frequently. Makes for an uncomfortable ride, but they don't break much. Also, if you're heading into them, there's not much danger of flooding the boat unless you break through the top and you have a forward hatch open. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On 22 Jun 2004 02:01:21 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: Many boats, and most larger boats, have hatches that will stay dry even if the bow is catching occasional spray. Scotty Potty thinks a big wave will crash down on his bow and flood the boat...in less than 20 knots! RB Actually, this CAN happen. There are many, many reports of folks passing through Plum Gut (between Orient Point and Plum Island on the North Fork of Eastern L.I. on an otherwise clear, calm day and suddenly encountering an eight foot standing wave directly in front of them. I just went through it a couple of days ago, and was sure to close everything up tight. Other than some interesting currents and confused seas, it was pretty much a cake walk... This time. BB |
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Yep... a firechief told me this as well.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:21:53 -0700, (Thom Stewart) wrote: BB, The Cushions and Overhead normally aren't considered FUEL. OT 1). Burning materials ARE fuel 2). The source of the flame that started the conflagration was a LIQUID fuel, so water is highly inappropriate. If you manage to snuff the stove, the water will then spread combustible liquid all over the area. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. This is exactly why you should have multiple ABC extinquishers, placed strategically around the boat. The C.G. minimums are woefully inadequate. Buy bigger, and more. Here's a little tip to make sure they are working when you need them: When routinely safety checking your boat, remove each extinguisher from it's bracket and shake the hell out of it. The main reason for failure in these extinguishers, besides leakdown, is caking of the powder. BB |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... If it's a standing wave, what's the problem.. No problem Jon, just another thing boob**** was wrong about. if you're heading into them, there's not much danger of flooding the boat unless you break through the top and you have a forward hatch open. well that WAS the original topic. SV |
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Well, how likely is it? An 8' standing wave isn't that big of
a wave. The only part that's you're going to break through is the very top. How likely is it that you're going to be dumb enough to be sailing around with an open forward hatch? Even then, it wouldn't sink the boat, just slosh some water in. I suppose really dumb people get what they deserve. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:04:09 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: if you're heading into them, there's not much danger of flooding the boat unless you break through the top and you have a forward hatch open. Unless... BB |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... . How likely is it that you're going to be dumb enough to be sailing around with an open forward hatch? boob**** says he is. |
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It would have to be a pretty small boat... I've been called worse. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:32:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: Well, how likely is it? An 8' standing wave isn't that big of a wave. The only part that's you're going to break through is the very top. How likely is it that you're going to be dumb enough to be sailing around with an open forward hatch? Even then, it wouldn't sink the boat, just slosh some water in. I suppose really dumb people get what they deserve. The question was not how likely it was, but whether it could ever happen at all. Clearly it can happen. A smaller boat with an open forward hatch could take enough water in some cases for it to be a big problem. I didn't say that you were really dumb, but if the shoe fits... 8^) BB |
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Really? Most people call me nice things. Must be your problem. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:51:27 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: I've been called worse. :-) That's easy to believe. 8^) BB |
How to service and keep in service a dry powder extinguisher
1. Inspect pressure gauge (where fitted). If it's out of the
green, get it professionally serviced anyway (or if a cheapie, buy a new one). If it's dribbling powder, ditto. 2. Alongside your ear, tilt the extinguished gently. If the powder is properly free, you should both hear it and feel the transfer of weight as it literally flows from one end of the extinguisher to the other. 3. if 2. doesn't work at all, or not much, grab a rubber tyre mallet or other padded mallet (but NOT a sledgehammer, or anything that will give a really sharp blow). 4. With the mallet, tap the base of the extinguisher gently until the dry powder flows as in 2. If it's badly caked, this may take a lot of taps. AVoid the temptation to beat the sh*t out of it after the fifteenth tap. 5. Regularly (eg each time you're down at the boat) give it both a shake and turn upside down lsitening to the powder flow. if it doesn't, reservice. 6. throw out those teeny extinguishers and get at least a 1.5kg, in multiples. wrote: This is exactly why you should have multiple ABC extinquishers, placed strategically around the boat. The C.G. minimums are woefully inadequate. Buy bigger, and more. Here's a little tip to make sure they are working when you need them: When routinely safety checking your boat, remove each extinguisher from it's bracket and shake the hell out of it. The main reason for failure in these extinguishers, besides leakdown, is caking of the powder. BB -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Please. I don't think I deserve that kind of insult!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:02:33 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: Really? Most people call me nice things. Must be your problem. :-) It was you who said you've been called worse. Don't tell me you are operating out of the Dubya rulebook for honesty... BB |
How to service and keep in service a dry powder extinguisher
Would several small ones, placed strategically around the boat, be better
than one (or 2) big one? Does it make a difference if they are hung horizontally, as far as the caking? Scotty "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:53:32 +0930, Flying Tadpole wrote: This is a device that may be called upon to save your boat, your life, or the lives of others. If you need to hit it with a hammer, it is way past due for replacement, regardless of what the 3 cent gauge says, or what you hear flowing. A new extinguisher is about $20-$30. Jeez. Stick to insipid verse. You're extremely no good at this. BB You're an even bigger fool than your repartee would suggest, and you can't read either. What hammer? WHat hit? Throw away good extinguishers because the powder has caked slightly? My extinguishers come in at about $150 each, which is what you pay for size and ruggedness (say, $US70). You want to play with weeny toys and bet your life on them, go right ahead. I'm sure you could find some 1/4lb extinguishers on ebay, secondhand, for $5 if you looked hard enough. For other readers: 6 months is enough for the powder to cake significantly, even with a bit of a shake from time to time. The how-to given IN FULL in my original post is straight out of commercial (and professional) practice. -- SSO (ret'd) Flying Tadpole, BFSA(lapsed!) ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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