"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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That means
hatches were probably dogged.

Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway.


Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day.

On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping.


There are lots of boats, and lots of
situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch
open. I
would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway,
weather
permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have
been
cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years.

Where do you sail? ...in a river?


IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that
could be
left open in moderate conditions.

I wonder how you define "moderate" conditions????

BTW, I've been on a Tartan 37, and I wouldn't sail it with any hatches open
unless I was going up a canal, or a river.


Regards


Donal
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:23:23 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap:

Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day.

On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping.

You meaned, "passed out."





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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That means
hatches were probably dogged.

Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway.


Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day.

On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping.

You don't prepare meals or eat? Often as not, someone will be down below.


There are lots of boats, and lots of
situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a hatch
open. I
would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway,
weather
permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head) have
been
cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years.

Where do you sail? ...in a river?

Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about 10
times. On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the
boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following where we
had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so the
chop was 4-5 feet. Most of the trips we had small chop on long swells - almost
any boat over 35 feet should stay bone dry.




IIRC, the Tartan 37 has a hatch just forward of the companionway that
could be
left open in moderate conditions.

I wonder how you define "moderate" conditions????

You like to gauge everything by your personal experiance, but you sail in an
area with particualrly heavy commerical traffic, plus a strong current that
often opposes the wind. There are lots of places where one can sail and expect
to stay reasonably dry. And there are lots of boats that have hatches far
enough aft that are dry in most conditions. Many boats have hatches that are
virtually impossible to flood in anything other than severe weather. My Nonsuch
had a large hatch forward which stayed closed, but two small hatches aft, over
the galley and head - there's no reason to dog them down if there's no water on
deck.

Of course if the skipper is so unskilled that he can't recognise when its time
to batten down, he's probably better off just sealing up all the time.


BTW, I've been on a Tartan 37, and I wouldn't sail it with any hatches open
unless I was going up a canal, or a river.

Good for you.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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That means
hatches were probably dogged.

Hatches are always sealed when a sailing boat is underway.


Wow, your crew must suffer on a hot day.

On a hot day, the crew are either in the cockpit or sleeping.

You don't prepare meals or eat? Often as not, someone will be down below.





There are lots of boats, and lots of
situations where its desirable and permissible to make way with a
hatch
open. I
would say that 90% of the time we have a saloon hatch open underway,
weather
permitting. Three of our hatches (2 in the galley, one in the head)
have
been
cracked open for all but a few hours in the last 5 years.

Where do you sail? ...in a river?

Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or
less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in
the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about
10
times.

Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh?

I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an
experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most
of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog.


On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the
boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following
where we
had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so
the
chop was 4-5 feet.

4 to 5 feet??? That MUST have been really awful! Your crew didn't panic,
did they


Most of the trips we had small chop on long swells - almost
any boat over 35 feet should stay bone dry.

So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!

Regards


Donal
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So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!


Warning!!! Donal actually believes that he's some kind of experienced sailor
over those who sail on lakes, rivers and "protected" waters!
He also sails a Beneteau! He also sails very few vessels, among the lowest
count here!

RB

On 19 Jun 2004 23:32:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

So you only sail in sheltered waters. .... same as Bob!


Warning!!! Donal actually believes that he's some kind of experienced sailor
over those who sail on lakes, rivers and "protected" waters!
He also sails a Beneteau! He also sails very few vessels, among the lowest
count here!

RB

I believe that puts him several steps above you.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Is that where you like your boyfriend?

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
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I believe that puts him several steps above you.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Donal" wrote in message
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Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or
less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm in
the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast about
10
times.

Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh?

Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest trip
we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from our
berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's Vineyard,
around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The first leg
is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore.

In the 5 years we've had this boat we've logged about 8000 miles, ranging from
Toronto to Maine, to Florida.



I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an
experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to most
of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog.

I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose
knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny shtick you
have there.




On two of those days we had conditions that forced us to seal up the
boat - the Cape Cod Canal episode I've mentioned, and the day following
where we
had 25 to 30 knots onshore following 4 days of heavy weather offshore, so
the
chop was 4-5 feet.

4 to 5 feet??? That MUST have been really awful! Your crew didn't panic,
did they

They weren't happy when we dove through an 8 foot square wave - I thought it was
fun, but I could see to was the worst of the set.

BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height was
considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning. You'll
learn about this when you read that book.

I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next several days
it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better batten
down your Bendytoy.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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Atlantic Ocean. If I headed East I would hit Cape Finisterre, more or
less. Of
course, the prevailing wind is from the West, so most of the time I'm
in
the lee
of a continent. Last Summer we did 20+ miles up or down the coast
about
10
times.

Wow! **20** miles, huh? "Up and down the coast", huh?

Sorry if my effort to be honest was lost on you - 20 miles is the shortest
trip
we took, and that's measured from the harbor entrance about 10 miles from
our
berth. We also went to Provincetown, about 50 miles and Martha's
Vineyard,
around 100+ miles. In a few weeks we'll (hopefully) go to Maine - The
first leg
is about 180 miles 30 miles offshore.

In the 5 years we've had this boat we've logged about 8000 miles, ranging
from
Toronto to Maine, to Florida.



I'm beginning to understand how Bobsprit passes himself off as an
experienced sailor. I've always felt that I was a novice compared to
most
of this group. You make me feel that I am an old sea dog.

I sure you have some experience. You just like to act like someone whose
knowledge is all from a book they plan to read someday. Pretty funny
shtick you
have there.

I'm quite surprised that you accuse me of using "book" knowledge. I've made
some big gaffs here over the years - and most of them have been due to the
fact that I post the truth as I see it.


I've learned an awful lot from this ng, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
You, on the other hand, seem to feel that you are so experienced that you
can only dispense wisdom. I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

We all sail in completely different waters. Our communication gives us the
ability to learn from one another. I've learned things from reading your
posts.


BTW, the chop is measured on top of the longer swells - total wave height
was
considerably higher, but only the steep component is worth mentioning.
You'll
learn about this when you read that book.

I checked out the wave heights for your neighborhood - for the next
several days
it will be 1 foot or less. It sounds pretty rough out there, you better
batten
down your Bendytoy.

Hmmmm! You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit.

Regards


Donal
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I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

Guess again. Jeff bought a good quality boat. He has managed to avoid your
mistake.

RB