Yeh, quite a piece of junk that one. I wish I owned it!

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
Any solid glass boat from the 60's will outlast us all.

Is that a Gallant 54? I almost bought one owned by
one of the first women to solo circumnavigate.

It had a good layout for a solo sailor, everything
was up in the pilot house except the head.

Bart

Bobsprit wrote

Any boat from the
mid 60s is AN OLD PIECE OF ****.

Yeah...here's one of those POS boats from the 60's!

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg

I bet poor Horvath doesn't even know what it is!

RB

Actually, I have two backup plans. One is to just let the main luff.
I did that with the old main coming across the slot in 25 kts. without
any problems... sure it shortens the life of the sail, but it's better than
nothing. The other is that I have a smaller main. It wasn't really designed
for the boat, but when it's on, it's as though I'm reefed.

I only have one set of reef points, but that's totally adequate for the
situation here... small jib, conditions, etc.

But, you're right... same goes with the jib downhaul... always looking
for chafe, etc.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:29:48 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

I finally got the single line reefing system straightened out this
Saturday
after class. I followed the Harken model, but used my own scounged
parts. Seems to work fine.

Jon, they work really well but keep a close eye on the whole system,
check it very regularly because a failure leaves you without reefing.
The safe way is to have a second conventional jiffy reefing system set
up on the third or last slab that way not only do you have a backup
but you also have additional security when it's really tough out
there.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I don't like single line reefing. I've found that two line reefing
is the way to go.

The stresses on single line reefing cause failures at the tack
on a Hunter 376 I sailed.

How does the Harken version work?

Jonathan Ganz wrote

I finally got the single line reefing system straightened out this
Saturday
after class. I followed the Harken model, but used my own scounged
parts. Seems to work fine.

Here's the PDF. I would normally agree with you, but it seems to be
fine on my boat, which is pretty small.

http://www.harken.com/mainsail/4171slr.pdf

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:33 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

I don't like single line reefing. I've found that two line reefing
is the way to go.

The stresses on single line reefing cause failures at the tack
on a Hunter 376 I sailed.

How does the Harken version work?

Like this
http://www.harken.com/mainsail/reeffeat.php




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Harkens version has angled leads at the tack. That
would seem to help.

The version I've used pulled straight down at the
tack and put way more tension at the tack than the
clue. The result being a tendency to rip out the
hardware at the tack.


OzOne wrote
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:33 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

I don't like single line reefing. I've found that two line reefing
is the way to go.

The stresses on single line reefing cause failures at the tack
on a Hunter 376 I sailed.

How does the Harken version work?

Like this
http://www.harken.com/mainsail/reeffeat.php

OzOne wrote:
We've fitted it to 47' boats without any problems but all the lines
are checked weekly.

I'm with Bart, I think two line reefing is better in some ways, but can
create a hassle with lines. The issue I have with single line reefing is
that it takes up luff tension first and it can be difficult to get the
clew cringle set out & down hard enough.

Good idea to check the lines often. Same for roller furling. BTW do you
reeve a back up line through the clew cringle once the reef is made up?
I have seen this in lessons but never done it in real life. Conditions
are always unfavorable to hanging on the end of the boom... especially
tucking in that second reef.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

OzOne wrote:
We've fitted it to 47' boats without any problems but all the lines
are checked weekly.

I'm with Bart,



Bart, RUN!!!!!


RB

One of the considerations that made the single line the right choice
for me was the "yet another line" factor. I take a lot of novice
sailors, and it can get confusing. Hell, it can get confusing for me!

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote:
We've fitted it to 47' boats without any problems but all the lines
are checked weekly.

I'm with Bart, I think two line reefing is better in some ways, but can
create a hassle with lines. The issue I have with single line reefing is
that it takes up luff tension first and it can be difficult to get the
clew cringle set out & down hard enough.

Good idea to check the lines often. Same for roller furling. BTW do you
reeve a back up line through the clew cringle once the reef is made up?
I have seen this in lessons but never done it in real life. Conditions
are always unfavorable to hanging on the end of the boom... especially
tucking in that second reef.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The angled leads seem essential. Otherwise, how would the tension
be right? The clue has an adjustable block, which I guess helps when
you set it up initially, but after that, it's pretty much set. I can't see a
good reason to change it.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
.net...
Harkens version has angled leads at the tack. That
would seem to help.

The version I've used pulled straight down at the
tack and put way more tension at the tack than the
clue. The result being a tendency to rip out the
hardware at the tack.


OzOne wrote
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:19:33 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

I don't like single line reefing. I've found that two line reefing
is the way to go.

The stresses on single line reefing cause failures at the tack
on a Hunter 376 I sailed.

How does the Harken version work?

Like this
http://www.harken.com/mainsail/reeffeat.php

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:19:52 -0400, DSK wrote:


. The issue I have with single line reefing is
that it takes up luff tension first and it can be difficult to get the
clew cringle set out & down hard enough.


Agreed, however if you use a block attached to the clew and tack
grommet, the friction is greatly reduced and the problem of the clew
cringle set is minimized.