Bart Senior wrote:
I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England.

http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm

And I was pleased to see this!

ERICSON 46 72

Similar to this!

SWAN 47 72

Or the Express 37, or the J-35, or the Schock 35, or the Frers 38, or
the J-109, or the Lacoste 42, or the Soverel 39, or the Tartan 46...

You're in pretty good company. OTOH the Corel 45 rates somewhere in the
minusses, and that's a very roomy boat...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:21:03 GMT, "Bart Senior"
wrote this crap:

I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England.

http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm


CAL 20 282


Heh Heh Heh.

With a rating like that, it would take two hours just to leave the
marina.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

It would still be faster than your hunter crapola, and I'd actually
make it back.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:21:03 GMT, "Bart Senior"
wrote this crap:

I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England.

http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm


CAL 20 282


Heh Heh Heh.

With a rating like that, it would take two hours just to leave the
marina.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:25:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

It would still be faster than your hunter crapola, and I'd actually
make it back.

Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"?
You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in
rainbow.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"?
You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in
rainbow.


Horvath, in all seriousness, the Hunter marque is among the worst and garners
far less respect than Jonathan's Cal, which is certainly considered "classic
plastic. In the last 3 years Hunter has greatly improved quality control
matching Catalina and exceeding Beneteau, but earlier Hunter's are frowned on
by sailors and surveyors alike. If your Hunter is less than 3 years old, you
may have a reasonable low end boat. If not, you have my sympathy, but then you
should have done your homework before buying.

RB

So what you're saying is that not only are you stuipd but you're blind.

You're the gay boy. You keep mentioning it at every opportunity.

FYI, it's easy to call your boat crapola because of the "owner."

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:25:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

It would still be faster than your hunter crapola, and I'd actually
make it back.

Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"?
You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in
rainbow.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You sort of remind me of Jim Cate. Except he doesn't sound gay.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:25:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

It would still be faster than your hunter crapola, and I'd actually
make it back.

Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"?
You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in
rainbow.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Bart Senior" wrote in message ...
I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England.

http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm

And I was pleased to see this!

ERICSON 46 72

Similar to this!

SWAN 47 72

Soooo you race huh?

Nice looking boat, what size is it?

Joe

Joe wrote
"Bart Senior" wrote

I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England.

http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm

And I was pleased to see this!

ERICSON 46 72

Soooo you race huh?

Nice looking boat, what size is it?

Joe

I have no immediate plans to race any of my boats this year.
I may crew on an Express 37, but I'm not sure I'll have time.
At some point I will race my boats. There is much involved
in that. Unless you are racing one-design, you need to be
rated by whatever standard you are using, PHRF for example.
You need your sails measured. And some of this stuff won't
get done unless you join the association and pay some dues.
For offshore, you need to comply with various safety standards
and that is smart, but expensive.

The boat is 45' 10".

I like what I call performance sailing. Not quite as serious as
racing, but a fast as I can reasonably go given whatever crew
size I have, and fewer headaches or paperwork.

This big boat I wanted because I felt limited in some areas
--night sailing, and cruising. I also figured that if the boat was
big enough to live on it is more like a second home that could
be moved. My brother Dwight wants to go to Block Island,
and he won't have to twist my arm as its on the way to Maine,
and has a great harbor. He can bring his tandem kayak too!

ECHO is big and comfortable. Dwight, Dawson-a friend,
Dwight's two 80 lb dogs he found in the wild, and I were all
out today, and had tons of room. The dogs found places
under the cockpit in the aft cabin while we dodged south and
then east to miss the lighting, but got soaked.

It is easy for any number of people to rest below. One
more person along would have been nice.

Dawson crewed on a schooner in his youth,up in Maine.
He said something about this being his first chance to drive
a big boat, and I gave him the helm almost the whole trip, and
he loved it--even in the rain. A memorable trip for us all.

The main went up easy, and the drifter was big, but pretty
light and easy to set. Dawson got to feel the power the boat
could develop. I got to play with sail trim. And I now know
how to get more out of the boat.

We made a hasty departure as tide and timing were good.
We had a few little minor mechanical problems, nothing
that can't be fixed for next time out.

I got to experiment with different ways of using my organ
grinder. The biggest of the other deck winches could not
haul in my drifter when we tacked, not without agonizing effort.
The organ grinder is at least a foot across if not bigger. In
low gear triming was effortlessly, no fatigue. It made sail trim
fun and easy.

ECHO's been a fun project--but it's not over. Lots more to
do on the interior.

Bart