"Vito" wrote in message
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How many inaccuracies, half truths, and blatantly bigoted statements can we find
in Vito's latest? Let's see:


We are beset by terrorists because of our ongoing support for the invasion
of Palistine

No one beleives this. The primary complaint of Al Qaeda is the occupation of
Sauid Arabia by US forces.

and the slow eradication of its indigineous Muslim population

Odd - the Muslim population has growth steadily over the last 100 years. This
is a particularly insidious lie because it implies that there is some form of
"ethnic cleansing" going on. This is blatantly false.

by Jewish outsiders.

The has always been a Jewish community in Palestine. And remember, a
significant number (some say a majority) of those now claiming to be
"indigenous" Palestinians actually immigrated along with the Jewish immigrants,
who created economic opportunities.

These terrorist attacks can only worsen as the last
Palistinians are either killed or driven out.

There is absolutly no evidence that anything like this is going on.

I cannot blame either side
because there is plenty of blame to go around.

For sure ...

The original Jewish European

European? The largest group of settlers (before the Russian Jews) actually came
from other Muslim countries. It is often overlooked that as 600,000
Palestinians were voluntarily leaving (on the advice of Arab leaders) a much
larger number of Jews were being evicted from Muslim countries. While the
Palestinians were allowed to take all their possessions, the Jews generally had
everything confiscated.

invaders

Invaders? They were legal immigrants who purchased land from Muslims eager to
sell.

had been driven from their homes by Nazis then kept from returning
by their Christian neighbors, leaving them no place to go.

This was true in the case of the Polish Jews, who tried to return to Poland and
were rejected. But for the most part the European Jews were wiped out by the
Holocaust and the survivers were a small part of the immagration.

The Palistinians
have no effective weapons with which to fight Israeli helo's and artillery

There was no need to fight; they have been offered peace many times, and have
always found a way to avoid it. The current "occupation" was triggered by
terrorism, not the other way around. Your claims makes as much sense as
claiming that the 9/11 attacks were actually a legitimate protest against long
security lines at the airports.

so they become suicide bombers - terrorists if you will.

If I will??? If your child was blown up while on a school bus I think you would
call them terrorists.

Now their allies such as Al Quida

Not allies, just other terrorists.

are attacking Israel's allies. We can say "If. If, If" but
it will never end until Israel has eradicated all of the Palistinians or
vice versa.

Or, when the majority of the Palestinians, who want peace, take control of their
lives.

Slick Willy Clinton had a compromise deal almost tied up -

Isreal offered to give the Palestinians virtually everything they asked for in
return for Peace.

until the current PM of Israel defiled a mosque.

Absolute nonsense - even the Palestinians admit this is completely false. The
Intifada was planned long in advance by Arafat. The mosque event in Sept 2000
has been cited as a trigger so that that "blame" for the Intifada can be placed
on Israel.



And that'll go on and on .... so
long as people are stupid enough

Vito's post is proof that there will always be stupid people.

to believe that Abraham met the all-seeing
creator of the universe hoofing across a desert to check on rumors, fed him
a veal sandwich, and was given half the middle east

Half the Middle East? Are you saying the Jews are entitled to half of Saudi
Arabia?

in return for
circumcising himself and all the men in his household - because that belief
is the cornerstone of Judism, Chritianity and Islam. The belief itself isn't
the problem, the problem is people are stupid enough to believe it.

The fundamental problem is the belief by some in the Muslim community that they
have a divine right to rule all the land from India to Spain.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
Maxi wrote:

Um, would you mind if I had one last Fling with Angelo's first?

Max

Maxipad, seriously, take the gay stuff somewhere else, okay?
Thanks!

Boring.

Max

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Sure, if Angelo is straight.

Who knows. He does own a restaurant in SF, after all.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 05:09:04 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


"DSK" wrote in message

"Vito" wrote ...
" but who'd miss NYC or DC per se?


Scott Vernon wrote:
not me. could we put San Fran on the list, also?

Agreed. But just get rid of them? We should see if we could trade 'em
for, say, Singapore, Rio, and ummm... trying to think of another big
city I've liked...

Sydney. Oz seems to think it's perfect.

It's pretty bloody close as capital cities go.

Great. We'll take it. How does Miami sound in trade?

Max

OzOne wrote in message

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:38:58 -0400, DSK
scribbled thusly:

Sydney. Oz seems to think it's perfect.


OzOne wrote:
It's pretty bloody close as capital cities go.

??? Did the Oz gov't move out of Canberra?

Capital of the state of NSW.
Did you notice that I used a lower case c same as I use a p for
president.

Anyway, I'll come check it out. If I like it, can we trade?

Nah, but you can send over the Rockies....we could use them on our
west coast to generate a bit of rainfall to say nothing of the skiing.

Uh-uh. But how about the Appalachians?

Max

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote


Boston, Baltimore? oops, same city.

I'd trade 'em both for Paris,


Paris Hilton?

Maybe, if you'll throw in that friend of hers.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

I'd trade 'em both for Paris


If we could have the museums & cathedrals without the rest of the city
and with only a few carefully selected French people, sure. Let's see,
we'd want the sidewalk crepe stands, the wine stores, and a couple dozen
of the restaurants too. Only problem is that Paris is too far away from
any good sailing locations.

It would look terrific overlooking SF Bay.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

On 9 Jun 2004 22:43:19 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
...
On 9 Jun 2004 22:22:30 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


ozone wrote
I'd trade 'em both for Paris,


Paris Hilton?

I hear she's had more meat go thru her than a wholesale butcher
shop.


and?

and....she didn't pay for it....?

do you?

I'm Married...Of course I pay.

LOL. Well said.

Max

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
Maxi wrote...

I really hope this is your tongue-in-my-cheek.
Max


What a total homo!

And to think Navigator was worried that I was making a fool of myself trying
to beat you at your own game. Well, you've accomplished that all by
yourself. Exceedingly boring, Bubbles. Perhaps I should ignore you, as
most of the others in this NG do.

Max

"Vito" wrote...
We are beset by terrorists because of our ongoing support for the invasion
of Palistine


By whom? Syria?

Jeff Morris wrote:
No one beleives this. The primary complaint of Al Qaeda is the occupation of
Sauid Arabia by US forces.

Well, that plus their friggin' whacko clerics keep telling them that
U.S. stands for "Ultimate Satan."

Actually, they don't like our support for Israel (which isn't quite the
same thing as Vito said) but that's not AFAIK their main gripe.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of political-minded Muslims elsewhere who
despise our support of Israel.


and the slow eradication of its indigineous Muslim population


Odd - the Muslim population has growth steadily over the last 100 years. This
is a particularly insidious lie because it implies that there is some form of
"ethnic cleansing" going on. This is blatantly false.

And it's particularly ironic considering the pogroms practiced by almost
every country the Jews lived in other than the U.S. and Israel.
Definitely including the various Arab states pre-1948.


.... And remember, a
significant number (some say a majority) of those now claiming to be
"indigenous" Palestinians actually immigrated along with the Jewish immigrants,
who created economic opportunities.

This is a good point. Most of what is now Israel was barren wasteland
before. I particularly enjoy the Palestinians announcing "that was my
grandfather's orange grove" when the sign on the gate says TAHAL (large
Iraeli irrigation project that started in the 1950s).


I cannot blame either side
because there is plenty of blame to go around.


For sure ...

Unfortunately very true.


The original Jewish European


European? The largest group of settlers (before the Russian Jews) actually came
from other Muslim countries. It is often overlooked that as 600,000
Palestinians were voluntarily leaving (on the advice of Arab leaders) a much
larger number of Jews were being evicted from Muslim countries. While the
Palestinians were allowed to take all their possessions, the Jews generally had
everything confiscated.


invaders


Invaders? They were legal immigrants who purchased land from Muslims eager to
sell.


had been driven from their homes by Nazis then kept from returning
by their Christian neighbors, leaving them no place to go.


This was true in the case of the Polish Jews, who tried to return to Poland and
were rejected. But for the most part the European Jews were wiped out by the
Holocaust and the survivers were a small part of the immagration.

Let's not forget that at the UN partition (IIRC 1947), the Arabs were
given most of the choice pieces of what is now Israel, including
property that had been previoulsy bought & paid for by Jews. But that
was not enough... the surrounding Arabs states invaded the Jewish
territory. Did they really intend to slaughter every Jewish man, woman,
and child, or was that just fiery rhetoric? In any event, they lost. And
as Jeff noted, the surrounding Arab states urged the Palestinians to
leave yet would not give them homes.

In many Arab schools the UN partition and the Arab invasion is not
mentioned, only Israel's war for and declaration of independence. Their
name for this is "The Disaster." Guess what their kids grow up believing...


The Palistinians
have no effective weapons with which to fight Israeli helo's and artillery


There was no need to fight; they have been offered peace many times, and have
always found a way to avoid it.

What I can't understand is why the Palestinians are so eager to be
cannon fodder for their greedier & less brave Arab neighbors.


The fundamental problem is the belief by some in the Muslim community that they
have a divine right to rule all the land from India to Spain.

I think this is a very small minority. But the Arab & Muslim beliefs
(however misguided) *are* important in this equation. For example, I
have had American born Muslim friends tell me that *of course* the Sept
11th attack was planned and carried out by the Mossad. Imagine what
Muslims elsewhere in the world believe.

The U.S. cannot afford to ignore the growing conviction that we are the
bad guys. Much less feed that impression by being the bad guys. A
hypocritical self-righteous crusade will result in our grandchildren
having to fight off suicide bombers.

Regards
Doug King