Goodness me, Mr Cairns, a mere Atlantic crossing and you're
tearing strips off Bobsprit? Even without considering Bobsprit's
other manifold gifts, I'd have thought you'd surely see your
sailing as a minor byplay compared with his. You've clearly no
sense of proportion.

John Cairns wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Based on a quick psych evaluation of Scotty's posts
vs. yours, one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat
more than you enjoy yours. What's up with that?
John Cairns


Uhhh, gee, John....why don't you explain the criteria for your
"evaluation"
based on e-mails!?

RB

C'mon Bob, try a little harder. How long have you been POSTING here. You
constantly belittle Scotty's choice of boat. Think about it. You've heard
the term, kicking a dead dog, right? If you think Scotty owns such a crappy
boat, why keep bringing it up? You think Doug King is an inferior sailor
because he owns a trawler. You almost constantly imply that you're somehow a
better sailor than most here because you claim that you sail more frequently
than other folks here. I've said it before, I'll say it again.You brag about
how much you sail in the same fashion that a 2 yr.old boy proudly talks
about how he used the potty. Something you EXPECT a 2 yr. old to do,
something that's disturbing in a fully formed adult personality. Did it ever
occur to you that a fair percentage of the folks here DON'T post about EVERY
time they take their boats out? It's almost as if you're trying to convince
us that you enjoy sailing or that sailing is enjoyable, don't really know
about you, but I think most of us enjoy sailing, we don't need the approval
of others for that. One other thing. Most sailing industry insiders
(including brokers) will candidly admit that yacht brokers, for the most
part, are the equivalent of used car salesman, and I think that most of the
folks that post here regularly (and have had to deal with brokers) know this
also. Trying to be a broker isn't going to impress anyone here. And lastly.
Owning a very nice boat might carry some weight with absolute beginners, you
know, someone that only recently took up sailing, had done a lot of reading,
knows about all of the top names. The rest of us know that owning a nice
boat or an expensive boat has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of
the owner, period. It's sort of like the downhill skiing thing, the cost of
the skiers outfit tends to be inversely proportional to their ability.
John Cairns

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-------------------------
Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious
past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera

Hell, Taddy, I've posted the same thing about BS in the past, almost the
same words. And it was actually a minor byplay in itself (though not
compared to anything BS has done), if you consider several things. At least
one of the fellas, Pat, had never been offshore before. Helluva first
passage, don't you think? Jim, one of the others, is 68. Guess you're never
too old. It was the skippers 21st crossing, by way of comparison. It was
May, early June, the weather is generally decent. I do try to treat him
decently, he has provided the group with a great deal of entertainment, but
generally of a very lowbrow type (again something I've said in the past)
John Cairns

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Goodness me, Mr Cairns, a mere Atlantic crossing and you're
tearing strips off Bobsprit? Even without considering Bobsprit's
other manifold gifts, I'd have thought you'd surely see your
sailing as a minor byplay compared with his. You've clearly no
sense of proportion.

John Cairns wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Based on a quick psych evaluation of Scotty's posts
vs. yours, one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his
boat
more than you enjoy yours. What's up with that?
John Cairns


Uhhh, gee, John....why don't you explain the criteria for your
"evaluation"
based on e-mails!?

RB

C'mon Bob, try a little harder. How long have you been POSTING here. You
constantly belittle Scotty's choice of boat. Think about it. You've
heard
the term, kicking a dead dog, right? If you think Scotty owns such a
crappy
boat, why keep bringing it up? You think Doug King is an inferior sailor
because he owns a trawler. You almost constantly imply that you're
somehow a
better sailor than most here because you claim that you sail more
frequently
than other folks here. I've said it before, I'll say it again.You brag
about
how much you sail in the same fashion that a 2 yr.old boy proudly talks
about how he used the potty. Something you EXPECT a 2 yr. old to do,
something that's disturbing in a fully formed adult personality. Did it
ever
occur to you that a fair percentage of the folks here DON'T post about
EVERY
time they take their boats out? It's almost as if you're trying to
convince
us that you enjoy sailing or that sailing is enjoyable, don't really
know
about you, but I think most of us enjoy sailing, we don't need the
approval
of others for that. One other thing. Most sailing industry insiders
(including brokers) will candidly admit that yacht brokers, for the most
part, are the equivalent of used car salesman, and I think that most of
the
folks that post here regularly (and have had to deal with brokers) know
this
also. Trying to be a broker isn't going to impress anyone here. And
lastly.
Owning a very nice boat might carry some weight with absolute beginners,
you
know, someone that only recently took up sailing, had done a lot of
reading,
knows about all of the top names. The rest of us know that owning a nice
boat or an expensive boat has absolutely nothing to do with the ability
of
the owner, period. It's sort of like the downhill skiing thing, the cost
of
the skiers outfit tends to be inversely proportional to their ability.
John Cairns

--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious
past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera

No. He's just a lot dumber than the rest of us.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:29:31 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:

Jim Cate wrote:

Interesting. - Doug said that the wind speed might have been as much as
10-12 knots. Why do you criticize my estimate of the wind speed but not
his, when he wasn't even there?

Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10.

Huh?

Are they different on your sea?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Yeah, I'm an incredibly slow typist, but I am starting to get slightly
faster. Never claimed I was "above it all" but the folks you mention have
generally treated me pretty decently, so why would I trade insults with
them? I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt (excepting anonymous
posters) but I will agree about one thing, though you didn't mention it. If
it weren't for your posts, it would be a very dull group.
John Cairns
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The rest of us know that owning a nice
boat or an expensive boat has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of
the owner, period.


Wow, John. You spent a lot of time on that post and I sympathize. BUT, you
don't have to read my posts. Clearly, Doug, Scotty and Loco and others
enjoy
the obviously petty nonsense that goes on here, but "you" are above it
all.
Simply don't play, John. It's that simple.

RB

Jim Cate wrote:
Sounds like you are a hot **** salty-dog sailor, Doug.

Whatever

DSK

Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10.


Horvath wrote:
Huh?

Are they different on your sea?

Fetch will make a slight difference and so will salt vs fresh, but not
much. Let me guess... you've never noticed when whitecaps form.

Check the Beaufort Scale. New technology, cutting edge stuff.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote
Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10.

http://www.stormfax.com/beaufort.htm
"F3 knots: 7 - 10 Gentle breeze, Large wavelets; crests begin to
break; scattered whitecaps"

http://www.r-p-r.co.uk/beaufort.htm
"F3 knots: 7 - 10"
"Gentle Breeze Large wavelets. Perhaps scattered white horses"

You might want to ask Navvie just to make sure.

DSK

This certainly applies in open water, but in very protected water, such as
Boston's Charles River Basin, you won't see whitecaps until its over 15 knots.
Of course, we were able to sail dinghies in 30 knots or more there.



"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
DSK wrote
Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10.

http://www.stormfax.com/beaufort.htm
"F3 knots: 7 - 10 Gentle breeze, Large wavelets; crests begin to
break; scattered whitecaps"

http://www.r-p-r.co.uk/beaufort.htm
"F3 knots: 7 - 10"
"Gentle Breeze Large wavelets. Perhaps scattered white horses"

You might want to ask Navvie just to make sure.

DSK

Never claimed I was "above it all" but the folks you mention have
generally treated me pretty decently, so why would I trade insults with
them?

Trading insults is part of what I like to do here. Some folks like Scotty and
Loco take it to heart and that's too bad. But most of the others seem to have
fun and that's what it's all about. If you seriously get wound up by what goes
on in this group, you have bigger issues!

RB

but I will agree about one thing, though you didn't mention it. If
it weren't for your posts, it would be a very dull group.


Ahhh, Thank you. Won't earn you any point with other driftwood here though.

RB