John Cairns wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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More like 20 knots.
Jim


http://www.havencraft.com/n26m.asp

http://www.gatewaysailing.com/newboa...onsPricing.htm

http://www.a1sailboats.com/newboatprint.htm

http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/ma...t-pricing.html

Never thought the mac was much of a SAILBOAT because I noticed fairly early
that none of these hucksters offer something that most 21st century sailors
consider indispensable, WIND instruments. If your boat doesn't have WIND
INSTRUMENTS, how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

John Cairns

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Considering your comments about the Mac 26 dealers, I have chartered and
observed a number of sailboats of various types, makes, and sizes over
the past 25 years. From my experience and observations, few boats of
similar size, and few under 28-feet or so, have anemometers. - Would
your observations regarding the Mac 26 apply equally to owners of Cats,
O'Days, etc., in the under 28-foot category who also don't have
anemometers? Do your observations regarding anmometers suggest that
these boats aren't real SAILBOATS, and that their owners are not real
SAILORS? Or is this just a Mac-bashing thing?

Also, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the Mac dealers you
listed are "hucksters?" - I'm sure some are, and I'm sure some of them
exaggerate the capabilities of the Mac to their customers (as do some
dealers selling other boats), but running a Mac dealership doesn't seem
like the best "get rich scheme" to me. - It involves selling new boats
for around $27K equipped with motor and trailer; outfitting the boats;
providing instructions and demos, handling the gripes, questions, etc.-
It just doesn't cut it as an easy rip-off. My own experience is that one
can get anything installed that he wants to pay for.

Incidentally, I do have a hand-held anemometer but wasn't using it on
the occasion mentioned. By way of perspective, my boat was delivered and
(partially) outfitted a few weeks ago, and because of a number of other
obligations, I have only been able to take it out two times. Not an
excuse, but it's where I'm at.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Also, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the Mac dealers you
listed are "hucksters?" - I'm sure some are, and I'm sure some of them
exaggerate the capabilities of the Mac to their customers (as do some
dealers selling other boats), but running a Mac dealership doesn't seem
like the best "get rich scheme" to me. - It involves selling new boats
for around $27K equipped with motor and trailer; outfitting the boats;
providing instructions and demos, handling the gripes, questions, etc.-
It just doesn't cut it as an easy rip-off. My own experience is that one
can get anything installed that he wants to pay for.
Jim

Jim, if you had done any research at all you would have figured out that you
could "run a mac dealership" out of your garage. No one said it was "an easy
rip-off" though in some cases, based on the amount of optional equipment I
see on these used boats offered for sale at places like yachtworld, it
probably is. Dealers don't have to make exaggerated claims about the macs'
capabilities, the builder already does a nice job all by their lonesome. And
no, the average dealer probably won't get rich, but if they're a halfway
decent salesman (after all, after researching thee question, someone is
actually considering purchasing) you could probably make a decent income
selling these things.Change the word in your post from "mac" to "Yugo"
"boat" to "car", delete a few lines and you might get my point. Most car
dealers would salivate over the prospect of a buyer coming into their store
pre-sold AND with an eye to loading up their purchase with every available
option and then some, based on a quick perusal of the yachtworld ads, most
mac buyers do exactly this.
John Cairns

"John Cairns" wrote

Jim, if you had done any research at all you would have figured out that
you
could "run a mac dealership" out of your garage.

When I first heard of the Macs, and was interested, I stopped at the dealer
near Breezewood PA. It was a guys house, who then drove to his barn where he
had one boat inside. it didn't look so ugly in the unlit barn.

--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

it didn't look so ugly in the unlit barn.

So tempting...but I'll let poor Scotty Potti off this time.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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it didn't look so ugly in the unlit barn.

So tempting...but I'll let poor Scotty Potti off this time.

RB

For some that constantly brags about their boat "thou protest too much"
about Scotties' boat. Based on a quick psych evaluation of Scotty's posts
vs. yours, one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat
more than you enjoy yours. What's up with that?
John Cairns

Based on a quick psych evaluation of Scotty's posts
vs. yours, one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat
more than you enjoy yours. What's up with that?
John Cairns


Uhhh, gee, John....why don't you explain the criteria for your "evaluation"
based on e-mails!?

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Based on a quick psych evaluation of Scotty's posts
vs. yours, one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat
more than you enjoy yours. What's up with that?
John Cairns


Uhhh, gee, John....why don't you explain the criteria for your
"evaluation"
based on e-mails!?

RB

C'mon Bob, try a little harder. How long have you been POSTING here. You
constantly belittle Scotty's choice of boat. Think about it. You've heard
the term, kicking a dead dog, right? If you think Scotty owns such a crappy
boat, why keep bringing it up? You think Doug King is an inferior sailor
because he owns a trawler. You almost constantly imply that you're somehow a
better sailor than most here because you claim that you sail more frequently
than other folks here. I've said it before, I'll say it again.You brag about
how much you sail in the same fashion that a 2 yr.old boy proudly talks
about how he used the potty. Something you EXPECT a 2 yr. old to do,
something that's disturbing in a fully formed adult personality. Did it ever
occur to you that a fair percentage of the folks here DON'T post about EVERY
time they take their boats out? It's almost as if you're trying to convince
us that you enjoy sailing or that sailing is enjoyable, don't really know
about you, but I think most of us enjoy sailing, we don't need the approval
of others for that. One other thing. Most sailing industry insiders
(including brokers) will candidly admit that yacht brokers, for the most
part, are the equivalent of used car salesman, and I think that most of the
folks that post here regularly (and have had to deal with brokers) know this
also. Trying to be a broker isn't going to impress anyone here. And lastly.
Owning a very nice boat might carry some weight with absolute beginners, you
know, someone that only recently took up sailing, had done a lot of reading,
knows about all of the top names. The rest of us know that owning a nice
boat or an expensive boat has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of
the owner, period. It's sort of like the downhill skiing thing, the cost of
the skiers outfit tends to be inversely proportional to their ability.
John Cairns

yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/447701.JPG

critique away.........

Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA


"John Cairns" wrote

one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat

critique away.........


Your tits are even bigger than Horvath's!


I dunno. They're low enough to be balls!

RB

What? No fenders on deck? And you call yourself a sailor?



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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yes , I do. Immensly. So does Lisa.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/447701.JPG

critique away.........

Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA


"John Cairns" wrote

one would also get the impression that Scotty enjoys his boat