DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

.... Our two initial trips were in fairly breezy weather, with chop
and whitecaps from the winds and wakes from power boats going in and
out of Galveston Bay.


Wow! You went sailing in whitecaps? That means the wind might have been
as much as ten or twelve knots! What a manly sailor dude you are!

More like 20 knots.


... The Mac 26M handles such conditions quite well, and seems to have
lots of stiffness when under sail.


Of course. It's shaped like a box, naturally it's going have a lot of
initial stability.

Just the opposite, actually. It becomes increasingly stiff when heeled.


I haven't had time to become proficient with most of the boat's features.


What, like all the ropes and stuff?

Sure thing. - Lots of ropes and other stuff.


... All in all, however, it has a nice sweet "feel" under
sail, which is what I'm primarily interested in.


Oh yeah, I bet. Sporty, just like a 505 or an Etchells!

Fresh Breezes (or something)- Doug King

Thanks Doug. - And the same to you!

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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More like 20 knots.
Jim

http://www.havencraft.com/n26m.asp

http://www.gatewaysailing.com/newboa...onsPricing.htm

http://www.a1sailboats.com/newboatprint.htm

http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/ma...t-pricing.html

Never thought the mac was much of a SAILBOAT because I noticed fairly early
that none of these hucksters offer something that most 21st century sailors
consider indispensable, WIND instruments. If your boat doesn't have WIND
INSTRUMENTS, how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

John Cairns

Interesting. - Doug said that the wind speed might have been as much as
10-12 knots. Why do you criticize my estimate of the wind speed but not
his, when he wasn't even there?

I was basing my estimate on observations relative to the Beaufort Scale
and past experience, plus the observations of an experienced captain who
was with me at the time, along with weather reports.- This is a new
boat, and I am in the process of equipping it, and it's going to take a
little time. - Also, I don't plan on making any extended ocean passages.

Jim

John Cairns wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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More like 20 knots.
Jim


http://www.havencraft.com/n26m.asp

http://www.gatewaysailing.com/newboa...onsPricing.htm

http://www.a1sailboats.com/newboatprint.htm

http://www.macgregorsailboats.com/ma...t-pricing.html

Never thought the mac was much of a SAILBOAT because I noticed fairly early
that none of these hucksters offer something that most 21st century sailors
consider indispensable, WIND instruments. If your boat doesn't have WIND
INSTRUMENTS, how did you determine the wind was blowing 20KTS?

John Cairns

Also, I don't plan on making any extended ocean passages.

What does that have to do about whether you have instruments or not????

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

katysails wrote:

Also, I don't plan on making any extended ocean passages.

What does that have to do about whether you have instruments or not????

Well, If you are only going to take your boat out in Galveston Bay
within a few miles of land, wind speed and weather aren't as critical as
when you plan on sailing from Kemah to Galveston to Corpus, or to
Brownsville. In other words, if you are only interested in day sailing,
you might be willing to rely on hand-held instruments, or on
observations based on the Beaufort scale, when you know you can motor
back to port in 20 minutes. - Does that answer your question Katy?

Jim

Does that answer your question Katy?


Yeah...it says a lot about you.....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

katysails wrote:

Does that answer your question Katy?


Yeah...it says a lot about you.....

The boat has two knot meters (one providing speed over the bottom and
another showing speed through the water; I have a hand-held anemometer;
it has a GPS chartreader, several sources of weather reports, etc. With
these instruments plus observations of the effects of the wind on the
boat and the water, and since I don't intend to make long blue water
voyages, I don't see the great urgency of having a permanent anemometer
on board. Even if I get into racing, I think the two knotmeters are
more important for providing an immediate indication of how the boat is
doing under the particular conditions, and how it is responding to
adjustments in the sails, rigging, etc. In other words, if changes in
the sails under the particular wind conditions result in better speed,
pointing, etc., then the boat is doing what I want it to do.

Katy, I'm not sure you have a proper appreciation for the great
traditions and history of sailing through the years. - With respect to
the suggestion that the Macs aren't real sailing vessels because most of
the dealers don't advertise the availability of anemometers for them,
did Columbus, or Magellan, or the captain of the Mayflower, etc., have
anemometers onboard their vessels? Did the clipper ships, or even more
modern, transitional sailing vessels? For example, The Elissa, launched
in 1873, on which I crewed several years, was in service for so many
years that it is thought to have more miles at sea than any other
sailing vessel, all without the benefits of an anemometer. I also don't
recall the Vikings having anemometers aboard their boats, or the Greeks
or Romans, etc., - In other words, are you saying that these people
were not true SAILORS, or that their ships weren't true SAILBOATS
because they didn't have anemometers? For thousands of years sailors
have been carrying on the great traditions and adventures of sailing
relying on their own observations of wind and sea conditions. They
navigated and sailed around the world under the most extreme conditions
relying on their observations of current conditions interpreted in light
of their experience at sea, their training, and their knowledge of the
characteristics of their respective vessels. - I hope to do the same
with my new Mac 26M, with or without a permanently mounted anemometer.

Jim

Jim Cate wrote:

Interesting. - Doug said that the wind speed might have been as much as
10-12 knots. Why do you criticize my estimate of the wind speed but not
his, when he wasn't even there?

Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10. If a doofus like you notices them then it might be blowing as
much as twelve, but it still could only have been eight.

If motorboat wakes are bigger than the chop, then the wind wasn't
anywhere near 20.

DSK

Because whitecaps usually begin forming around 8 knots and are regular
at 10.

Doug, this is not always the case. We had 15-20 knots as conditions built and
it was quite a while before whitecaps developed.
Worse, you know this can be the case. Stop acting like a Scotty Potty for once.
You weren't there so you don't know the conditions. The pic tells only tells us
so much and only in that moment. You're some idiotic weatherman.

RB

Jim, remember...Doug "sails" a Trawler!


RB