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It is incredible what one can learn on a usenet group. Why, just today, I
learned wet exhausts need an anti-siphon valve installed. I bet tomorrow I
learn that sails move a boat forward "because they are curved on one side".

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Read it and learn:

http://www.practical-sailor.com/news...iftmuffler.pdf
(note the bit about the anti-spihon valve)

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

It is incredible what one can learn on a usenet group. Why, just today, I
learned wet exhausts need an anti-siphon valve installed. I bet tomorrow I
learn that sails move a boat forward "because they are curved on one side".

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Jax,

I hope this doesn't surprise you to much but look again at any sail
working. You will see that both sides are curved

Ole Thom

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Yes they are, and they are curved on the other side too!

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

I bet tomorrow I
learn that sails move a boat forward "because they are curved on one side".

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dum-dum, *that* antisiphon valve is NOT in the exhaust.

what a dumb cluck.

Also, it refers to a *cooling* water hose -- before the exhaust -- said outlet
of which is ------ lower than the waterline ------- a forbidden practise, and
in most engine installations damned difficult to install incorrectly.

what a dumb cluck.

Read it and learn:

http://www.practical-sailor.com/news...iftmuffler.pdf
(note the bit about the anti-spihon valve)

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

It is incredible what one can learn on a usenet group. Why, just today, I
learned wet exhausts need an anti-siphon valve installed. I bet tomorrow I
learn that sails move a boat forward "because they are curved on one side".

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Jax,

I hope this doesn't surprise you to much but look again at any sail
working. You will see that both sides are curved

Ole Thom

No kidding, Thom?? Gee, you mean all those sailing that say a sail works
"because it is curved on one side" are wrong? But, but, but, it is printed on
paper and if it were wrong they wouldn't print it, would them.

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you are one quick study, nave.

Yes they are, and they are curved on the other side too!

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

I bet tomorrow I
learn that sails move a boat forward "because they are curved on one side".

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Just a quick note, Sails are curved on both sides and yes that curve
has a great deal to do with moving the boat.


oxxy, give it up. you make any first year aero eng student choke and gag with
your silliness. you are dumber than his sister, and she is still in high
school.

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Has Jax merged with Boobspit?

No kidding, Thom?? Gee, you mean all those sailing that say a sail works
"because it is curved on one side" are wrong? But, but, but, it is
printed on
paper and if it were wrong they wouldn't print it, would them.

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Jax,

The description of the operations of a sail say they work because the
air flows over a curved sail. A CURVED SAIL.

The Jax description of the action is sail is the only one I've seen that
says;"One side of the sail is curved.

Jax, there is a difference between a Sail and a Wing. A Wing can have
one curved side. A Sail, by it's nature, must curve both side.

Now that we understand that, you can continue on with your Troll of
"Newton's Laws" for the action of a Sail's power generation.

While you're at it, why not explain Jax's Method of up wind motion with
bare poles! ( That was a good one) Maybe Horse-Fat will understand.

Ole Thom

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He hooked you Oz, and with old bait.

As soon as he screwed up and post; "One side is curved, it was obvious
he had a wing in mind and was thinking of "Newton Law"

Don't mention Bernoulli. Just sit back and let him take line. He isn't
ready to have the hook set just yet.

He is still asking leading questions. Let him run with it for awhile

Ole Thom

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old thom, you are babbling, trying desparately to convince yourself that what
you learned in a sailing book loooooooooooooooooooong ago HAS TO BE RIGHT, even
though the sailing book was written by an amateur.

just why in hell do you think that air behaves differently over a verticle
surface as compared to a horizontal surface?

Jax,

The description of the operations of a sail say they work because the
air flows over a curved sail. A CURVED SAIL.

The Jax description of the action is sail is the only one I've seen that
says;"One side of the sail is curved.

Jax, there is a difference between a Sail and a Wing. A Wing can have
one curved side. A Sail, by it's nature, must curve both side.

Now that we understand that, you can continue on with your Troll of
"Newton's Laws" for the action of a Sail's power generation.

While you're at it, why not explain Jax's Method of up wind motion with
bare poles! ( That was a good one) Maybe Horse-Fat will understand.

Ole Thom

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the forward vector is not produced by the curve.

Just a quick note, Sails are curved on both sides and yes that curve
has a great deal to do with moving the boat.


oxxy, give it up. you make any first year aero eng student choke and gag
with
your silliness. you are dumber than his sister, and she is still in high
school.
T'would be interesting to hear from your vast wealth of knowledge why
the curve then has nothing or little to do with moving the boat.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Where did I (or anyone) say the antisiphon valve is _in_ the exhaust?

Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

dum-dum, *that* antisiphon valve is NOT in the exhaust.

what a dumb cluck.

Also, it refers to a *cooling* water hose -- before the exhaust -- said outlet
of which is ------ lower than the waterline ------- a forbidden practise, and
in most engine installations damned difficult to install incorrectly.

what a dumb cluck.

Read it and learn:

http://www.practical-sailor.com/news...iftmuffler.pdf
(note the bit about the anti-spihon valve)

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:


It is incredible what one can learn on a usenet group. Why, just today, I
learned wet exhausts need an anti-siphon valve installed. I bet tomorrow I
learn that sails move a boat forward "because they are curved on one side".

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Don't mention Bernoulli.

aero engineers don't.

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Where did I (or anyone) say the antisiphon valve is _in_ the exhaust?


the discussion was about a wet exhaust. It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor. the guy had not had a problem with the boat
before, therefore the water injection point was not (through impropper
installation) below the waterline.

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Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.

you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going downhill.
dud!

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OK Oz,

He is on good and solid. He hooked himself. It's a double. You play him
for awhile. When you get tired I'll work him for awhile.

Ole Thom
P/S when you get to condensing gas I'll take over. Have fun

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olde thom, you are drunk.

OK Oz,

He is on good and solid. He hooked himself. It's a double. You play him
for awhile. When you get tired I'll work him for awhile.

Ole Thom
P/S when you get to condensing gas I'll take over. Have fun

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Jax,

You know what they say; "A drunk is the luckiest Fisherman!"

That was a nice Leap Oz. Remember we're doing catch and release. Don't
work him to hard.

Ole Thom

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On 02 Jun 2004 01:23:06 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor.

Why is the manor forbidden? Is it haunted or something?

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Dud? Let me explain at a level a child should understand. You run the
engine -it gets hot. You turn it off. You raise the sails so the boat
heels and puts the exhaust under water. The engine cools and water gets
sucked in 'cos the siphon break valve no longer works...

get it?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:
Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.


you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going downhill.
dud!

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Are you sure that there is no forward component?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

the forward vector is not produced by the curve.


Just a quick note, Sails are curved on both sides and yes that curve
has a great deal to do with moving the boat.


oxxy, give it up. you make any first year aero eng student choke and gag

with

your silliness. you are dumber than his sister, and she is still in high
school.

T'would be interesting to hear from your vast wealth of knowledge why
the curve then has nothing or little to do with moving the boat.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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a freezer full of fish, eh thom?

Jax,

You know what they say; "A drunk is the luckiest Fisherman!"

That was a nice Leap Oz. Remember we're doing catch and release. Don't
work him to hard.

Ole Thom

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you seem a tad confused, dude.


From: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam"
Date: 6/2/2004 12:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 02 Jun 2004 01:23:06 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor.

Why is the manor forbidden? Is it haunted or something?

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nave, go look at a wet exhaust, any wet exhaust. you simply don't understand
what such is.

Dud? Let me explain at a level a child should understand. You run the
engine -it gets hot. You turn it off. You raise the sails so the boat
heels and puts the exhaust under water. The engine cools and water gets
sucked in 'cos the siphon break valve no longer works...

get it?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:
Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.


you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going
downhill.
dud!

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nave, English is beyond you? read it again and again and again as many times
as you need (seek adult help) until you finally understand that no one said
there was no forward component.

From: Navigator
Date: 6/2/2004 2:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Are you sure that there is no forward component?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

the forward vector is not produced by the curve.


Just a quick note, Sails are curved on both sides and yes that curve
has a great deal to do with moving the boat.


oxxy, give it up. you make any first year aero eng student choke and gag

with

your silliness. you are dumber than his sister, and she is still in high
school.

T'would be interesting to hear from your vast wealth of knowledge why
the curve then has nothing or little to do with moving the boat.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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I believe Jocks really has no idea what makes a sail move a
boat against the wind.

oxxy, you fail understand yet again. your belief is in utter error.

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oxxy, it was written in English, so that is the language you have to use when
reading it.

. It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor.

Wow, top secret installation of an exhaust.

Were ther armed guards around the manor


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Hmmmm if that's the case Jocks, What vector is produced as a result of
the curving?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

none.

and, unfortunately oxxy, you really don't know why.

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like I said, oxxy, you really don't know why.


Hmmmm if that's the case Jocks, What vector is produced as a result of
the curving?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

none.

and, unfortunately oxxy, you really don't know why.

Bwaaaahahahhahahahahahahhaaaaaa!



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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oxxy, I sure do hope you believe in an afterlife, because you certainly at lost
to this one. go back to study hall, it is not lunch time yet.

oxxy, it was written in English, so that is the language you have to use
when
reading it.

. It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor.

Wow, top secret installation of an exhaust.

Were ther armed guards around the manor

Oh dear, he's off the medication and running again.

Trouble is now I just find the antics a bore.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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On 02 Jun 2004 10:15:57 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

you seem a tad confused, dude.

You seem a tad illiterate, dude.

From: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam"
Date: 6/2/2004 12:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 02 Jun 2004 01:23:06 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor.

Why is the manor forbidden? Is it haunted or something?

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OK Oz,

I've got him for awhile. Still has fight left in him. Silly Fish!

A couple of question, while I take up the slack, Jax;

If the curve of the sail has no effect, quote "None" in Newton Laws of
Motion, Then why the curve in the wing or lee side of the Sail? Why do
the Jets deploy Slots and Flaps at low speed?

Jax, That is the first of some very simple question if you know what the
hell you're talking about.

The second question; What are the tel-tales telling us on the sails?

When you, with your wisdom of ( F=ma) enlighten us on these question, we
can go into a deeper discussion;

Before I sign off, I feel an obligation to inform you adjusting the sail
curve does affect the forward motion of the boat.
(Vector)

Ole Thom
Drunk or sober, there is a need to know the answer to the above
questions to take this discussion further

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So is there a forward component that may be ascribed to the curve of the
sail?

(hey Oz, the color of this paint is good!)

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

nave, English is beyond you? read it again and again and again as many times
as you need (seek adult help) until you finally understand that no one said
there was no forward component.


From: Navigator
Date: 6/2/2004 2:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Are you sure that there is no forward component?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:


the forward vector is not produced by the curve.



Just a quick note, Sails are curved on both sides and yes that curve
has a great deal to do with moving the boat.


oxxy, give it up. you make any first year aero eng student choke and gag

with


your silliness. you are dumber than his sister, and she is still in high
school.

T'would be interesting to hear from your vast wealth of knowledge why
the curve then has nothing or little to do with moving the boat.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Tad Illiterate? I thought his last name was Hunter.
"A. Diesel Vents" wrote in message
...
On 02 Jun 2004 10:15:57 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

you seem a tad confused, dude.

You seem a tad illiterate, dude.

From: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam"
Date: 6/2/2004 12:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 02 Jun 2004 01:23:06 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

It was NOT about an installation done
prior in a forbidden manor.

Why is the manor forbidden? Is it haunted or something?

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Someone here doesn't understand that is for sure. The question is who?
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nave, go look at a wet exhaust, any wet exhaust. you simply don't
understand
what such is.

Dud? Let me explain at a level a child should understand. You run the
engine -it gets hot. You turn it off. You raise the sails so the boat
heels and puts the exhaust under water. The engine cools and water gets
sucked in 'cos the siphon break valve no longer works...

get it?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:
Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.


you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going
downhill.
dud!

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Whom?

Cheers

Philip Carroll wrote:
Someone here doesn't understand that is for sure. The question is who?
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

nave, go look at a wet exhaust, any wet exhaust. you simply don't

understand

what such is.


Dud? Let me explain at a level a child should understand. You run the
engine -it gets hot. You turn it off. You raise the sails so the boat
heels and puts the exhaust under water. The engine cools and water gets
sucked in 'cos the siphon break valve no longer works...

get it?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.


you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going

downhill.

dud!

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Ok here's a direct quite. Read it slowly. Take your time.

"Problems occur because on almost all sailboats, and on many powerboats,
the engine is installed below the waterline. Even if it's not below the
waterline when the boat is at rest, the engine may well end up there
when the boat heels, or when it is heavily loaded. This latter case can
be particularly dangerous: because the boat's designer or engine
installer may not have adequately planned for it. If the engine is or
any time below the waterline, any cooling circuit that allows raw water
into the exhaust has the potential to set up a siphon action. Water may
siphon in from the water injection side; or, if the exhaust outlet is
below the waterline, from the exhaust outlet side."

See the last two words???

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

nave, go look at a wet exhaust, any wet exhaust. you simply don't understand
what such is.


Dud? Let me explain at a level a child should understand. You run the
engine -it gets hot. You turn it off. You raise the sails so the boat
heels and puts the exhaust under water. The engine cools and water gets
sucked in 'cos the siphon break valve no longer works...

get it?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.


you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going

downhill.

dud!

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Ok, whom.
"Navigator" wrote in message
...
Whom?

Cheers

Philip Carroll wrote:
Someone here doesn't understand that is for sure. The question is who?
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

nave, go look at a wet exhaust, any wet exhaust. you simply don't

understand

what such is.


Dud? Let me explain at a level a child should understand. You run the
engine -it gets hot. You turn it off. You raise the sails so the boat
heels and puts the exhaust under water. The engine cools and water gets
sucked in 'cos the siphon break valve no longer works...

get it?

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:

Now tell us why you think you don't need an antisiphon valve. Vague
references to gas laws are required.


you can't siphon water uphill using the weight of exhaust gas going

downhill.

dud!