"Donal" wrote in message
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I've considered the options regarding the birth of the Universe.

As far as I can see there are three options.

God created it!
It appeared spontaneously(sp?).
It is forever expanding and contracting.


Consider:
If you had asked the same question not too long ago science would have provided
different possibilities. The odds are pretty good that our children will be
considering possibilities that haven't been dreamed up yet. Cosmology is a very
young science, and we have very limited perspective. This is not a science that
one approaches by saying "There are only two possibilities."

For that matter, I'm not convinced
that you ever really had it.

If she had, she sold it. Cheap.

RB

Most of the time she seems to be desperately trying to give it away.


Maybe she should pay someone to take it. Sorta like recycling.
BTW, did you sail today? It was just about perfect out there with a single reef
tied in.

RB

I was out Saturday for some excitement. The winds were pretty erratic. One
minute 10 knots and the next 35 or more. The seas couldn't decide what to do,
so
the waves were almost a cross hatch of 2 footers. We got plenty wet! Sunday, I
had a family function to attend. I'll be headed out for the boat in a little
bit. Today is supposed to be great until early evening.

Same weather near the bridges. Not fun with a loaded boat. I'm doing a test
sail with a Husband and Wife I may sell a boat to, so that's all the sailing I
get today.

RB

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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I've considered the options regarding the birth of the Universe.

As far as I can see there are three options.

God created it!
It appeared spontaneously(sp?).
It is forever expanding and contracting.


Consider:
If you had asked the same question not too long ago science would have
provided
different possibilities. The odds are pretty good that our children will
be
considering possibilities that haven't been dreamed up yet. Cosmology is
a very
young science, and we have very limited perspective. This is not a
science that
one approaches by saying "There are only two possibilities."

You're absolutely correct, Jeff. There are only *three* possibilities!!




Regards

Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

I've considered the options regarding the birth of the Universe.

As far as I can see there are three options.

God created it!
It appeared spontaneously(sp?).
It is forever expanding and contracting.


Consider:
If you had asked the same question not too long ago science would have
provided
different possibilities. The odds are pretty good that our children will
be
considering possibilities that haven't been dreamed up yet. Cosmology is
a very
young science, and we have very limited perspective. This is not a
science that
one approaches by saying "There are only two possibilities."

You're absolutely correct, Jeff. There are only *three* possibilities!!


I was counting the two possibilities you claim are offered by the science of
Cosmology, not the "fallback" I presume you intend to offer because of some flaw
in the others. I find it rather impressive that you can not only summarize all
of the possibilities offered right now in a few words, but that you're confident
this includes all possibilities that will be offered for all time.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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I was counting the two possibilities you claim are offered by the science
of
Cosmology, not the "fallback" I presume you intend to offer because of
some flaw
in the others. I find it rather impressive that you can not only
summarize all
of the possibilities offered right now in a few words, but that you're
confident
this includes all possibilities that will be offered for all time.

I don't think that I said that I was confident that I could foresee all
possibilities that might be offered in the future.

My (unpalatable) views are based on current scientific thinking. The
mistake that you, and Wally, are making is that you assume that I am a
religious fanatic. You really need to read my posts again. I'm not very
religious.


Regards


Donal
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

I was counting the two possibilities you claim are offered by the science
of
Cosmology, not the "fallback" I presume you intend to offer because of
some flaw
in the others. I find it rather impressive that you can not only
summarize all
of the possibilities offered right now in a few words, but that you're
confident
this includes all possibilities that will be offered for all time.

I don't think that I said that I was confident that I could foresee all
possibilities that might be offered in the future.

My (unpalatable) views are based on current scientific thinking. The
mistake that you, and Wally, are making is that you assume that I am a
religious fanatic. You really need to read my posts again. I'm not very
religious.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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My (unpalatable) views are based on current scientific thinking. The
mistake that you, and Wally, are making is that you assume that I am a
religious fanatic. You really need to read my posts again. I'm not very
religious.

I've read your posts but I have no idea what you "view" is. Perhaps you can
state it clearly.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

My (unpalatable) views are based on current scientific thinking. The
mistake that you, and Wally, are making is that you assume that I am a
religious fanatic. You really need to read my posts again. I'm not
very
religious.

I've read your posts but I have no idea what you "view" is. Perhaps you
can
state it clearly.


OK! I'll state it again.

I can only see three possibilities for the creation of the Universe

1) It has always existed - and therefore must be continually expanding and
contracting.
2) It came into being in a spontanaeous event.
3) God created it.


1) seems unlikely because current observations suggest that the rate of
expansion is accelerating. That means that the Universe is never going to
contract again. Therefore a cycle is ruled out.


2) is based on the idea that the Universe is composed of equal amounts of
matter, and anti-matter. The theory states that *nothing* was actually
created in the Big Bang, and therefore no explanation is really necessary.
Steve Hawkins described this in his famous book.



3) Is more likely than the other two.


If you have an alternative theory, then I would like to hear it. Despite
my apparent arrogance, .. I *do* listen to evidence.

Regards


Donal
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