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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what
you think. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone who doesn't believe like you do. You promote your ideas here for what reason? I'm still not getting it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what you think. I insist on nothing johnathan. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone who doesn't believe like you do. No I do not, were did I condone anyone? You promote your ideas here for what reason? I'm still not getting it. First it's not my ideals, it just part of what Ive seen and experienced. I did not start any of the Faith, god, religious threads, but i will put my 2 cents in just as you will. Im not big on religion, Ive been to church enough to count all the times on my fingers. Why, dont know. Perhaps to bring hope to someone that needs it. I'm not making money off the ideals that for sure. You stated the messages I were given were the 42 virgins BS, I told you the truth of what happened to me and what I think. Nothing to get upset over. If you think it was a fantasy thats ok most people will. After all what im telling you is something that does not happen very often. But it has happened to enough people that you cant dismiss it as mass hyesteria. Many people feel that past loved one guide and help them. Ive seen it first hand, so I will say what I see and felt regardless of what others think. I stand by what I know happened. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Fine and dandy, and this has what to do with sailing?? We don't
need to hear the religious side from you. We can tune in to listen to Bush. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what you think. I insist on nothing johnathan. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone who doesn't believe like you do. No I do not, were did I condone anyone? You promote your ideas here for what reason? I'm still not getting it. First it's not my ideals, it just part of what Ive seen and experienced. I did not start any of the Faith, god, religious threads, but i will put my 2 cents in just as you will. Im not big on religion, Ive been to church enough to count all the times on my fingers. Why, dont know. Perhaps to bring hope to someone that needs it. I'm not making money off the ideals that for sure. You stated the messages I were given were the 42 virgins BS, I told you the truth of what happened to me and what I think. Nothing to get upset over. If you think it was a fantasy thats ok most people will. After all what im telling you is something that does not happen very often. But it has happened to enough people that you cant dismiss it as mass hyesteria. Many people feel that past loved one guide and help them. Ive seen it first hand, so I will say what I see and felt regardless of what others think. I stand by what I know happened. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Joe asked;And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you?
The only way that it could be "foisted" upon anyone is if you tied them up in a chair or put them in a cage with their hands taped to thier side so they couldn't cover their ears. In an open discussion group, having an opinion that is different than someone else's is not "foisting"...and by the same token, a similar claim could be made by the opposite camp that they are being "foisted" upon to accept something they do not believe....what's good for the goose is good for the gander, ya know. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Well, you see the problem is the volume. The people who are non-religious
are generally pretty laid back, quite, taking it all in. The people here who claim to be religious go on and on and on. Turn down the volume, then I don't have a problem with it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Joe asked;And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The only way that it could be "foisted" upon anyone is if you tied them up in a chair or put them in a cage with their hands taped to thier side so they couldn't cover their ears. In an open discussion group, having an opinion that is different than someone else's is not "foisting"...and by the same token, a similar claim could be made by the opposite camp that they are being "foisted" upon to accept something they do not believe....what's good for the goose is good for the gander, ya know. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Jon said: Well, you see the problem is the volume. The people who are
non-religious are generally pretty laid back, quite, taking it all in. The people here who claim to be religious go on and on and on. Turn down the volume, then I don't have a problem with it. Ah...censure them... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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No, not at all. I said turn down the volume, not shut up.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Jon said: Well, you see the problem is the volume. The people who are non-religious are generally pretty laid back, quite, taking it all in. The people here who claim to be religious go on and on and on. Turn down the volume, then I don't have a problem with it. Ah...censure them... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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