THom said: I think what Kate is saying; Before Man had Knowledge his actions
were
pre-determined

No way.....nothing is pre-determined or for that matter, pre-destined.
Before that, man had the moral consciousness of any other animal...

And then Thom said: It
was man that made rules to make it Good or EVIL

Nope...the rules were in place before man gained a conscience...he just
didn't have to play by them yet....


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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sorry Kate,

You really hit a sour note with the statement; "Nothing is
pre-determined."
You better think that one over again. Death came to my thoughts as soon
as I read your post. Everyone dies! Even Christ died when he had a human
body. Night and day are pre-determined in our life on earth by the
rotation. We have a pre-determined amount of water on this earth. There
are many, many things that are pre-determined. Think about them.

What was the other--oh yeah! The rules were all in place before man had
a conscience. That being the case, why was it necessary for Moses to be
given the "Ten Commandants?" Why oh why have there been so many Judges
and Lawyers in this World of our?

Ole Thom

On Mon, 31 May 2004 21:37:47 -0700, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:

Sorry Kate,

You really hit a sour note with the statement; "Nothing is
pre-determined."
You better think that one over again. Death came to my thoughts as soon
as I read your post. Everyone dies!

Not really. I know plenty of people that aren't dead.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I think you want to re-read Thom's post. I know most of the people you
hang with are dead, but that's not the point.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 21:37:47 -0700, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:

Sorry Kate,

You really hit a sour note with the statement; "Nothing is
pre-determined."
You better think that one over again. Death came to my thoughts as soon
as I read your post. Everyone dies!

Not really. I know plenty of people that aren't dead.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Hor-vat,

You know NO ONE who isn't going to die!
IT IS PRE-DETERMINED!!

Ole Thom

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:08:36 -0700, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:

Hor-vat,

You know NO ONE who isn't going to die!

How do you know who I know?

IT IS PRE-DETERMINED!!

No it's not.


(Now I remember why I normally don't respond to webtv idiots.)





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

(Now I remember why I normally don't respond to webtv idiots.)


Because you're gay?


RB

Nutsy,

Gays die also! Horse-fat doesn't any human, strait or gay that won't
die.

OT

Thom said: Death came to my thoughts

Death is a natural course of events...it is not a pre-determination. No one
points a finger and says "This guy goes on June 22, 2005". That would be
pre=determination.

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Death is a natural course of events...it is not a pre-determination.


Good lord. Another English failure.

Main Entry: pre·de·ter·mine
1 a : FOREORDAIN, PREDESTINE b : to determine beforehand
2 : to impose a direction or tendency on beforehand

Living things tend to die. Katie, the word has a meaning, quite specific and
not subject to your voodoo. Natural course or not, death IS predetermined. Now
go sacrifice a chicken and take 3rd grade English again.

RB