Katie,

Ole Thom here with question about evil?

Are you saying there was no Evil until man gained Knowledge?

OT

Are you saying there was no Evil until man gained Knowledge?

OT

Not for man...if there was some other sentient being hanging around from
somewhere else, they may have known evil....a dog that bites is not
evil....a bear that tears apart a cabin is not evil...a lion that kills his
opponents kittens to establish his own pride is not evil....if man did these
things, he would be evil

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katysails
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Katie,

Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge. If that is true then
EVIL has to be the invention of MAN. GOD & DEVIL draw a bye on EVIL

OT

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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| Katie,
|
| Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge. If that is true then
| EVIL has to be the invention of MAN. GOD & DEVIL draw a bye on EVIL

That's true Thom...... knowledge carries it's own curse..... to know
better and yet act as if you didn't is the real sin.... isn't it?

To know better and act despite the facts to your own self interest.... is
that a sin? OOPS .... is that "wrong"??

Should we all behave "Alturistic" ????

CM

CM,

I think what Kate is saying; Before Man had Knowledge his actions were
pre-determined. With knowledge his actions became a choose. His own. It
was man that made rules to make it Good or EVIL

I can buy into that.

Ole Thom

THom said: I think what Kate is saying; Before Man had Knowledge his actions
were
pre-determined

No way.....nothing is pre-determined or for that matter, pre-destined.
Before that, man had the moral consciousness of any other animal...

And then Thom said: It
was man that made rules to make it Good or EVIL

Nope...the rules were in place before man gained a conscience...he just
didn't have to play by them yet....


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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sorry Kate,

You really hit a sour note with the statement; "Nothing is
pre-determined."
You better think that one over again. Death came to my thoughts as soon
as I read your post. Everyone dies! Even Christ died when he had a human
body. Night and day are pre-determined in our life on earth by the
rotation. We have a pre-determined amount of water on this earth. There
are many, many things that are pre-determined. Think about them.

What was the other--oh yeah! The rules were all in place before man had
a conscience. That being the case, why was it necessary for Moses to be
given the "Ten Commandants?" Why oh why have there been so many Judges
and Lawyers in this World of our?

Ole Thom

And so, about God Nutsy,

Creation; How did it happen? Not that it matters. It happened.

So, there was something there that caused the Emanation to form
Creation. What ever that immanation came from that to me is God, or what
ever you want to call it.

I don't know what it is. It sure isn't the god of Earth's organized
Religions but since don't know what it is, I have no right to tell
anyone they are wrong;----

THERE IS A GOD, God exists in my faith. Screw you and your agnostic
nature

EVIL is the invention of Man, not God.
That poor child was an invention of yours and was, if it would have been
real, was the results of man's breeding

You don't believe in a God but you sure as hell believe in his faults.
So, my friend, if you don't believe how can you fault God.
You are one of those human who invent EVIL

Ole Thom
P/S You, Susy and the Baby are in my Prayers nightly. May you be Blessed

Thom asked:
Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge

No... evil always existed as a potential wherever there is free
will....without a conscience, man did not have free will....once a
conscience developed, he chose to do evil freely....
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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

What has conscience to do with free will?

Cheers

katysails wrote:

Thom asked:
Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge

No... evil always existed as a potential wherever there is free
will....without a conscience, man did not have free will....once a
conscience developed, he chose to do evil freely....