(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
But if you've ever been touched by the spirit, you know it's not that
simple. Faith is the opposite of blind trust.

Faith IS blind trust, regardless of your other comments. You've never been
touched by a spirit, though you may actually believe that.
It's easy to see why religion kills so many.

RB

No its not.

There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right
and wrong. Even a thief gets upset and feels wronged when someone
steals from him. If someone violently grabs a child from a family and
rapes that child, there is an anger and revulsion and a rage to
confront that act as evil, regardless of the culture. Where did we get
this sense of wrongness Blobster? How do we explain a universal law in
the conscience of all people that says murder for fun is wrong?

And in areas like courage, dying for a cause, love, dignity, duty and
compassion, where did these come from? If people are merely products
of physical evolution, "survival of the fittest," why do we sacrifice
for each other(blobster excluded)? Where did we get this inner sense
of right and wrong? Our conscience can best be explained by a loving
Creator who cares about the decisions and harmony of humanity.

Or how about that perfect sunrise or sunset that awakens your soul.
Ever have that feeling inside of awe. Must of been something you ate
huh?

Poor blobster. All alone....

Joe

There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right
and wrong.

One of my very closest friends is a detective here in NY. If you think people
have an inate understanding of morality and ethics, you are badly mistaken.
We don't need religion to teach right from wrong, anymore than we need to bring
back Greek mythology.
I was raised by a scientific family who taught me the rules of nature 1st and
morality second.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right
and wrong.

One of my very closest friends is a detective here in NY. If you think people
have an inate understanding of morality and ethics, you are badly mistaken.

Wrong blubberboy, They know the diffrence from right and wrong, no one
had to teach them that, they just chose to ignoe it.

We don't need religion to teach right from wrong, anymore than we need to bring
back Greek mythology.

I think "inate" means it does not have to be taught by anyone.

I was raised by a scientific family who taught me the rules of nature 1st and
morality second.

Me two. What does that have to do with faith, spirt and an inate
understanding of what is right and wrong?

Joe

RB

Wrong blubberboy, They know the diffrence from right and wrong, no one
had to teach them that, they just chose to ignoe it.

Note how you call me nasty names, yet profess a higher understanding and
morality? I, on the other hand, can debate this without stooping to name
calling.
I think it's pretty clear how much value religion has had in your life.

RB

Bob.... please!! "the rules of nature" !!!???

....and may I take the time to point out that your statement would indicate
you place morals [ethics?] secondary to the laws of natural selection and
base survival instincts.

That's not a good thing Bob.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right
| and wrong.
|
| One of my very closest friends is a detective here in NY. If you think
people
| have an inate understanding of morality and ethics, you are badly
mistaken.
| We don't need religion to teach right from wrong, anymore than we need to
bring
| back Greek mythology.
| I was raised by a scientific family who taught me the rules of nature 1st
and
| morality second.
|
| RB

Our conscience can best be explained by a loving
Creator who cares about the decisions and harmony of humanity.

WE created religion and the belief in god, not the other way around.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Our conscience can best be explained by a loving
Creator who cares about the decisions and harmony of humanity.

WE created religion and the belief in god, not the other way around.

RB

Religion is diffrent than spirt.

Religion is like a club you join. Full of fees, and people that can
use and abuse you. It is like any thing that has elements of good and
bad.

Spirt is something you can feel, sometimes if your lucky see. Its an
energy of sorts, an understanding that you are not the center of all,
its something better than life here on earth, and its to the core of
all lifes desires. I've seen and felt it blobster. I did not seek it,
it was brought to me. I feel very lucky. Best way I can explain it to
you is a feeling of pure light, love, a perfect eternal energy, a
whole different universe with no needs or desirs at all. It is what is
real. It peels off everything you ever desired and gives you
everything. I wish I could bottle it and sell it.

I know to a material person like you this is a hard to understand and
believe concept. I use to feel the same way you feel 100%. Now I know
better.

Quick question: Do you have feelings of love for your wife?

If so... using science tell me about love?

Joe

I've seen and felt it blobster.


Sure you have. When you learn to converse with respect and dignity, perhaps
someone might believe you.
At the moment you sound angry and spiteful. I wish you well with your issues.

RB

Spirt is something you can feel, sometimes if your lucky see.

Yes, the other "refuge" of religious folk; that they are somehow special,
"touched by divinity."
Everyone dreams of have special powers when they are young. The sad part is
that most never truly grow up. Enjoy your "spirit" or "sprit" or whatever.
Yikes.

RB

I wish I could bottle it and sell it.

You can. What your described is exactly what can be felt through a wide variety
of drugs. And it's repeatable. It all takes place in your own head and not from
some external force...just like the "tunnel of light" dying folks claim to see.

RB