"Bart Senior" wrote in message . net...
A short walk from my boat is the schooner Dolphin, one of nine
schooners build by the Nazis to transport missiles to Peenemude.

It has the biggest prop I've seen on a sailing yacht. Lots of pictures
of the refit.


Good reason the prop was so big Bart. It was buildt to haul cargo in
heavy sea's at a reliable pace . And when buildt it was not a sailing
yacht at all. Great history of that boat. I wonder if its an early
model of Oak Planking or the latter with pine.

It would be nice to get boat number 10-20 with the bugs shook out and
still using quality materials. Those nazi's had some nice equipment
during the start of WWII. Have you seen their bravery medals from the
later part of the war? Made of bakelite plastic. Early one's were made
of Sterling Silver.

Now I could understand if Kerry threw plastic cheapo medals over the
fence, but bronze and silver stars.......what a dick.

Joe







http://www.schoonerdolphin.com/

http://www.space.edu/projects/book/chapter8.html

Bart Senior


Martin Baxter wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:

I have no doubt, being the serious sailor, that Doug has a use for this
great
deal!

Let me know, Doug.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...egory=26456&it
em=2475487934


RB

"O bids", I guess they are not in particularly great demand. They'd look
good on my living room wall, but your ad says they have to be picked up in
Queens, oh well.

Cheers
Marty

Joe wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote

A short walk from my boat is the schooner Dolphin, one of nine
schooners build by the Nazis to transport missiles to Peenemude.

yacht at all. Great history of that boat. I wonder if its an early
model of Oak Planking or the latter with pine.

3" Long Leaf Yellow Pine planking, custom milled for Dolphin by
New England Naval Timbers.

I've read that big slow moving props are more efficient that smaller
faster turning props. I imagine the Dolphin will be able to motor
well for it's size. Still, with that much wetted surface and gross
tonnage, I bet it burns some fuel under power.

They cut out four big sections of the shrink wrap today on
Dolphin so I guess they are starting work on her again. Pretty
lame of them to miss out on the ideal cool work weather we
have had. Perhaps they are running into financial problems.
A boat this size must cost $5000 for winter dry storage. I figure
it costs about $780 a month just to sit there--not to mention
repair work and materials. They are trying to sell shares in the
boat at $100,000 for 1/10 share. I don't think there are many
takers.

Bart Senior

Bart Senior wrote:
3" Long Leaf Yellow Pine planking, custom milled for Dolphin by
New England Naval Timbers.


I bet that was not easy to bend to shape.

I've read that big slow moving props are more efficient that smaller
faster turning props.

Yes, that is definitely the case. It's why big ships all have large,
slow turning props. Naval ships, for example, usually hit WOT around 200
RPM... the reduction gears are the most expensive part of the power plant.


... Perhaps they are running into financial problems.
A boat this size must cost $5000 for winter dry storage. I figure
it costs about $780 a month just to sit there--not to mention
repair work and materials. They are trying to sell shares in the
boat at $100,000 for 1/10 share. I don't think there are many
takers.

Might be fun, depending on what you could do with your share. I bet they
wouldn't let a 1/10th share owner actually take the boat out
independently for 1/10th of her season though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Might be fun, depending on what you could do with your share. I bet they
wouldn't let a 1/10th share owner actually take the boat out
independently for 1/10th of her season though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


ADVENTURES IN PARADISE, LLC, has been formed to fully restore the boat to
better than new condition, and fit the boat out for extended cruising and
commercial chartering. The LLC is being capitalized at $2 million. Half of
this amount is being invested by the initial five members of the LLC. The
other $1,000,000 is being offered for sale as 50 membership units in the LLC
at a cost of $20,000 each. Capital invested will be used to refit the vessel
and prepare it for income generating charter service. Once fully restored
and ready to sail (scheduled for fall of 2005), the Company will market and
sell a variety of cruise and charter packages to the public and to special
interest groups for 20-30 weeks per year. Marketing will occur through a
contracted management company as well as independently. These rentals will
generate $15,000 to $25,000 per week, reaching an annual revenue stream of
in excess of $500,000 within four years. After operating expenses,
management expects the business to generate a net annual income that grows
to more than $200,000 during the first five years.

Each membership share will entitle the member to two weeks of prepaid
all-inclusive vacation cruising for two people on Dolphin each year, plus a
share of profits from the charter business. It is projected that members
will receive an annual return on invested capital of 7 to 14% which will
average 11 percent. Additionally, shares may be sold, transferred, gifted or
traded freely. The owners will also receive a proportional share of any
proceeds from the eventual sale of the boat and business, thus more than
doubling their investment after five years. Details are included in the
Business Plan which follows.


The thing is, they're not guaranteeing your investment, indeed, the whole
project could go down the tubes before the boat is re-launched.
John Cairns

DSK wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
3" Long Leaf Yellow Pine planking, custom milled for Dolphin by
New England Naval Timbers.


I bet that was not easy to bend to shape.

I've always thought pine was easy to work. After looking at that
lumber I have to agree with you. They are using 1/2" or bigger
galvanized bolts to fasten them to the steel frames, and then
plugging the counter sunk holes with wood, and then caulking.

I've read that big slow moving props are more efficient that smaller
faster turning props.

Yes, that is definitely the case. It's why big ships all have large,
slow turning props. Naval ships, for example, usually hit WOT around 200
RPM... the reduction gears are the most expensive part of the power plant.

Have you read about regenerative motor sailing? I ran into this
yesterday while researching props. Big props are key to making
that work. I think it only makes sense when you have a light boat.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/S...20motor%20sail
ing.html

... Perhaps they are running into financial problems.
A boat this size must cost $5000 for winter dry storage. I figure
it costs about $780 a month just to sit there--not to mention
repair work and materials. They are trying to sell shares in the
boat at $100,000 for 1/10 share. I don't think there are many
takers.

Might be fun, depending on what you could do with your share. I bet they
wouldn't let a 1/10th share owner actually take the boat out
independently for 1/10th of her season though.

That would be attractive, if you could do that. Unfortunately, wooden
vessels like this cost so much to maintain, that purchasing shares is an
opportunity to lose money.

The Quinipiac, a schooner, is getting some maintenance work done.

http://www.schoonersoundlearning.org/siboat.html

There are many volunteers helping. This schooner has a shallow
draft and looks like it won't sail to weather until you find out it has
a 12' centerboard. I'm going to see if I can get a ride on her later
this year. Without donations, non-profit status, and volunteer
help, she would probablly be rotting or sold for scrap.

Bart

Bart Senior wrote:
I've always thought pine was easy to work.

Depends, longleaf pine is fairly soft & easy to bend but it tends to
dull tools. But shucks, a 3" thick plank isn't going to be easy to bend
no matter what type wood (unless you have a couple of hydraulic presses
handy).


... After looking at that
lumber I have to agree with you. They are using 1/2" or bigger
galvanized bolts to fasten them to the steel frames, and then
plugging the counter sunk holes with wood, and then caulking.

After a few seasons, the stuff will set in place and the bolts won't
have any strain on them. I don't like galvanized fastenings but for a
boat this size Monel would be 'way too expensive!

Have you read about regenerative motor sailing? I ran into this
yesterday while researching props. Big props are key to making
that work. I think it only makes sense when you have a light boat.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/S...20motor%20sail
ing.html


Interesting, I've read a few articles about this. I agree it only seems
practical for light, easily driven boats.


That would be attractive, if you could do that. Unfortunately, wooden
vessels like this cost so much to maintain, that purchasing shares is an
opportunity to lose money.

Agreed again. All boats are money pits, but big old wooden ones can be
appalling.


The Quinipiac, a schooner, is getting some maintenance work done.

http://www.schoonersoundlearning.org/siboat.html

There are many volunteers helping. This schooner has a shallow
draft and looks like it won't sail to weather until you find out it has
a 12' centerboard. I'm going to see if I can get a ride on her later
this year. Without donations, non-profit status, and volunteer
help, she would probablly be rotting or sold for scrap.

Yep. Once upon a time, vessels like this were the trucks of the eastern
seaboard. Carried almost everything to towns along almost every stretch
of water, which is why so many had centerboards. In New England more
coasting schooners didn't have them, they had to wait on tides anyway.
Here in NC the boats had to be extreme shallow draft and many had two
centerboards. Also, due to the chppy waters of NC sounds they had
exaggerated bow flare which came to be a style identified with Harker's
Island and NC boats in general.

It's a good thing Howard Chappelle made a serious study of these vessels
before they all died out completely. Now, all that's left are a few
pampered yachts and skipjacks that survive by taking tourists out
sailing. I've been out on a few replicas (sometimes as a paying tourist,
sometimes as a volunteer) and it's a lot of fun. Some people take it
*very* seriously though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

Bart Senior wrote:

I've always thought pine was easy to work.


Depends, longleaf pine is fairly soft & easy to bend but it tends to
dull tools.

Pine defined as a wood that dulls tools? Are yours made in China?

Cheers

MC queried:Pine defined as a wood that dulls tools? Are yours made in China?

Doesn't matter where the tools were made...pine is full of creosote and sap
and does dull saws...we have lots of jack pine and red pine on our property
and have to lop a lot of limbs...and we sharpen saw blades a lot....


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