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Jim stupidly assumes:
if they were sailing their Mac near the Gulf coast as I will be, instead
of on a lake, there would be plenty of wind to keep them sailing.

Haven't sailed much on Lake Michigan, have you? I think in all the 26 years
we've been sailing I've seen maybe 3-4 days when there was actually no wind
and if, as you say, you've lurked here for a long while, you will have read
some of the harrowing accounts of the weather systems that plague Lake
Michigan....Muskegon Lake is just the outflow of the Muskegon River where
the marinas are sheltered...the Gulf, weather wise, is not comparable to
Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan is much more difficult to sail....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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What happened to ''the sea of Mich.''?


"katysails" wrote in message
...
Jim stupidly assumes:
if they were sailing their Mac near the Gulf coast as I will be, instead
of on a lake, there would be plenty of wind to keep them sailing.

Haven't sailed much on Lake Michigan, have you? I think in all the 26
years
we've been sailing I've seen maybe 3-4 days when there was actually no
wind
and if, as you say, you've lurked here for a long while, you will have
read
some of the harrowing accounts of the weather systems that plague Lake
Michigan....Muskegon Lake is just the outflow of the Muskegon River where
the marinas are sheltered...the Gulf, weather wise, is not comparable to
Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan is much more difficult to sail....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Jim-Bo.... please stop this insanity! A quick look at any Mac will reveal
the hardware suitable for a Laser 16 or Optimus class. The hull oilcans at
the touch of a finger. Leaning out and holding the shroud causes the boat to
tip almost to a swamping level. The sails are cheap and the rigging is
frail. The drop keel sticks and frequently requires to be dropped by
slinging a loop of rope under the hull ....dragging it forward to catch on
the exposed portion of the keel to effect a complete drop.

The boat is not safe Jim..... that's all I can tell you. I you wish to live
in ignorance of the majority of the sailing community's advise... then be
prepared to deal with the consequences.

In so far as "racing" red Cloud.... Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa..... Joe will be
on the horizon before you even get that turtle trimmed to actually catch
wind.

CM





"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| "Jim Cate" wrote in message
|
| | In other words, can you back up your (libelous) remarks?
|
| Yes....
|
| CM
|
| Really? Then let's see your statistics Capt. If, as you say, the Mac 26
| is only a "cheap plastic piece of ****" that is "dangerously under
| rigged," then there must be hundreds of them that are falling apart
| every year, right? And since MacGregor has sold over 30,000 boats,
| there must be at least 5,000 of them in which the rigging has come apart
| in a moderate wind, or in which the boat has simply self-destructed and
| sunk. - Right? If it's dangerously under rigged, the rigging must be
| coming apart every time they go out in moderate winds.
|
| Where's your stats on all those Macs that are falling apart because they
| are "cheap plastic pieces of ****" and
| "dangerously under rigged." - Give us some hard evidence without the
| usual antecdotes, Mooron.
|
| Put up or shut up.
|
| Jim
|
|

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote :

Jim-Bo.... please stop this insanity! A quick look at any Mac will
reveal...


Jim the Deaf dude has convinced me to buy the new Mac M...**NOT**

He's been the bigest troll since Bobby claimed to leave..although we know
now that he's been coaching him in drama with many willing victims, er
participants...

I'm ****ed at Jim the troll, because I wasn't smart enough to put him in the
kill file, I missed many posts I had intended to respond to...

LP (been through too many computers in an extremely small time table, and
that's my excuse! hehehee

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Why would you put anyone as entertaining as Jim into a kill file??

Nature abhors a vacuum and it is only natural that something would drift in
to fill the massive hole left by Bob's departure. I think it kind of Bob to
apprentice Jim to the task of Troll.

What's with the computer problems to date?

CM

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:_zohc.11098$c%3.4096@okepread02...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote :
|
| Jim-Bo.... please stop this insanity! A quick look at any Mac will
| reveal...
|
|
| Jim the Deaf dude has convinced me to buy the new Mac M...**NOT**
|
| He's been the bigest troll since Bobby claimed to leave..although we know
| now that he's been coaching him in drama with many willing victims, er
| participants...
|
| I'm ****ed at Jim the troll, because I wasn't smart enough to put him in
the
| kill file, I missed many posts I had intended to respond to...
|
| LP (been through too many computers in an extremely small time table, and
| that's my excuse! hehehee
|
|

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Capt. Mooron wrote:
Jim-Bo.... please stop this insanity! A quick look at any Mac will reveal
the hardware suitable for a Laser 16 or Optimus class. The hull oilcans at
the touch of a finger. Leaning out and holding the shroud causes the boat to
tip almost to a swamping level. The sails are cheap and the rigging is
frail. The drop keel sticks and frequently requires to be dropped by
slinging a loop of rope under the hull ....dragging it forward to catch on
the exposed portion of the keel to effect a complete drop.

The boat is not safe Jim..... that's all I can tell you. I you wish to live
in ignorance of the majority of the sailing community's advise... then be
prepared to deal with the consequences.

In so far as "racing" red Cloud.... Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa..... Joe will be
on the horizon before you even get that turtle trimmed to actually catch
wind.

CM

In other words, you can't back up your statements. - Is that what you
are saying, Capt? You have no evidence, no proof, no statistics
suggesting that the Macs are falling apart becasue of "cheap sails and
frail rigging," or that Mac owners are being stranded at sea, or being
lost at sea, because of poor build quality.


You can bluster and growl and post Mac-bashing notes, and post
antecdotes, but you have nothing substantive to back up your assertions.


And the reason you have no answer is ....because the Mac rigging and
sails AREN'T falling apart, and because Mac owners AREN'T being lost at
sea, and because Macs are returning to their home ports with their crew
safe and sound, and because the Mac standing rigging and running rigging
is doing its job, despite the fact that it doesn't look like the rigging
on your boat. (The Mac rigging is designed for a 3,000 pound boat with
300 sq. feet of sail, and it is entirely suitable for that application.)

It's time to put up or shut up, Capt. Or are you going to run away and
hide and ignore the quesions again? (And don't try to avoid the issue by
posting more anecdotes and slurs.)

Jim


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| "Jim Cate" wrote in message
|
| | In other words, can you back up your (libelous) remarks?
|
| Yes....
|
| CM
|
| Really? Then let's see your statistics Capt. If, as you say, the Mac 26
| is only a "cheap plastic piece of ****" that is "dangerously under
| rigged," then there must be hundreds of them that are falling apart
| every year, right? And since MacGregor has sold over 30,000 boats,
| there must be at least 5,000 of them in which the rigging has come apart
| in a moderate wind, or in which the boat has simply self-destructed and
| sunk. - Right? If it's dangerously under rigged, the rigging must be
| coming apart every time they go out in moderate winds.
|
| Where's your stats on all those Macs that are falling apart because they
| are "cheap plastic pieces of ****" and
| "dangerously under rigged." - Give us some hard evidence without the
| usual antecdotes, Mooron.
|
| Put up or shut up.
|
| Jim
|
|

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In other words, you're an idiot. Most MacCrap owners
figure out pretty quickly not to venture out. You'll get
there MacBoy. Keep trying.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
In other words, you can't back up your statements. - Is that what you
are saying, Capt? You have no evidence, no proof, no statistics
suggesting that the Macs are falling apart becasue of "cheap sails and
frail rigging," or that Mac owners are being stranded at sea, or being
lost at sea, because of poor build quality.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In other words, you're an idiot. Most MacCrap owners
figure out pretty quickly not to venture out. You'll get
there MacBoy. Keep trying.


I challenged Moroon to put up and shut up. -He doesn't want to put his
cards on the table.

I'll extend the same challenge to you, Johnny. - DO YOU have any
evidence or statistics to help poor Moroon out of this embarrassing
situation? He is reduced to sputtering and growling and bragging about
his long sailing career so that he can avoid the question, and he could
use some help. (And in case you haven't figured it out yet, calling me
an idiot isn't going to cut it.)

Jim

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

Actually, given your lack of sophistication, I'm not shocked that
you would like they're looks.

And, FYI, if you don't think I have a valid point about the Mac
being butt-ugly, then why are you so worked up about it??


Actually, I'm not. But from prior experience in discussions such as
this, I have learned that when opinionated morons like you don't get a
response, even to asinine statements like your comments about the Mac26M
appearance, they jump up and down and claim they have achieved a great
victory. Unfortunately, that's the way liars like you play the game.

Jim

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message

| I challenged Moroon to put up and shut up. -He doesn't want to put his
| cards on the table.

My cards were made clear Jim.... there was a site posted here in reference
to a downed Mac... I've sailed on them several times.... from the Power
Sailor 19 to the Mac 26X. I've towed them out of harms way. I've tried in
vain to get them sailing well..... they refuse to get up on step when under
power. There were 4 of them in Yellowknife..... after 3 years there were
none.... they had to be hauled south to sell.

Remember when the salesman sold you an expensive vacuum cleaner that
wouldn't suck.... well now someone has sold you something that will. ;-D


CM