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I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to
regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. |
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"TF" wrote in message ... I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. Handguns? Yikes, look out for pirates. |
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TF wrote:
I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. O goody! It must be time for another gun thread. Cheers Marty |
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Bart had some good info on state to state carry laws, maybe he knows for
boats, too. What kind of gun will you have? from Bart; ''State-by-state information on gun laws for people who want to obtain gun permits. http://www.packing.org '' Scotty "TF" wrote in message ... I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. |
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A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but
want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats I'm unaware of. The 12ga is for fishing ;) |
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TF wrote:
A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats I'm unaware of. The 12ga is for fishing ;) it would be contrary to Canadian Law to bring them into Canadian waters. Cheers Marty |
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I would think if your inside the 3 mile limit of any state the law would be the
same as if you were standing on the beach. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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the 12 ga you can get a permit to bring in. the pistol, too, if the barrel is
long enough. TF wrote: A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats I'm unaware of. The 12ga is for fishing ;) it would be contrary to Canadian Law to bring them into Canadian waters. Cheers Marty |
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the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask, Do
you know you could get the first shot off without hestation? I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a killer in an instant. dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation that starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get my gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner. I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could". rick On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote: I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote this
crap: I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyway. I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:34:31 GMT, TF wrote this
crap: A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats I'm unaware of. The 12ga is for fishing ;) Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines , anyways. (That would make a good sig.) I'm Horvath and I approve of this post. |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:13:09 -0500, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap: TF wrote: A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats I'm unaware of. The 12ga is for fishing ;) it would be contrary to Canadian Law to bring them into Canadian waters. What are they going to do to you? They have to catch you first. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
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Unless Bush has his way, you'll get a license when you seek to
marry your boyfriend. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On 31 Mar 2004 19:52:18 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this crap: the 12 ga you can get a permit to bring in. the pistol, too, if the barrel is long enough. It's against my principles to carry a permit. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
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"none" wrote: the temptation to flame is too great... Hehee, yeah, but somehow I overcome the temptastion (sp? flames, anyone?) :-D however,i am serious when i ask, Do you know you could get the first shot off without hestation? Of course, you don't pull "it" out unless you intend to use "it"! I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. I'm still thinking it's better to have, than not... The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. Well, that's a fact! Until dumbasses or criminals learn how or why to use their weapons, there will be no doubt... We don't practice firing from the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a killer in an instant. ????? snip, never mind, don't bother to anser I am not being argumentative... Of course you are, you need to be spanked! :-D i would really like to know. becaue i don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could". rick Bwaawhawhahawhahwhahwhawha! Okay then, LP |
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I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in
foreign waters. I'm still thinking it's better to have, than not... having been on both the target end and the firing end of a gun, I think it is best to chose to sail in areas where there is little to no chance of being on the target end. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote having been on both the target end and the firing end of the same gun, at the same time? |
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"JAXAshby" wrote: I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. I'm still thinking it's better to have, than not... having been on both the target end and the firing end of a gun, I think it is best to chose to sail in areas where there is little to no chance of being on the target end. Well, no doubt! What's your IQ again? snicker LP |
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As Jaxxy well knows, I don't think much of him; however, you
are a complete idiot by comparison. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On 01 Apr 2004 03:12:24 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this crap: I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. I'm still thinking it's better to have, than not... having been on both the target end and the firing end of a gun, I think it is best to chose to sail in areas where there is little to no chance of being on the target end. You wuss! You probably kept your training wheels on your bicycle until you were 16. You probably never drive above the speed limit. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
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Well, no doubt! What's your IQ again? snicker
LP Mensa |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:01:55 -0500, Horvath wrote:
snip it would be contrary to Canadian Law to bring them into Canadian waters. What are they going to do to you? They have to catch you first. .. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. the world is a very different place post 911...you'd think you were the only people ever to have suffered...oh wait, that was the jews. anyway, handguns and non-disclosed weapons are on a zero=toerance list...just like pot is there...same penalty....life in prison...death in Texas. |
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zero tolerance for pot? what frickin country are you talking about?
"none" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:01:55 -0500, Horvath wrote: snip it would be contrary to Canadian Law to bring them into Canadian waters. What are they going to do to you? They have to catch you first. . Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. the world is a very different place post 911...you'd think you were the only people ever to have suffered...oh wait, that was the jews. anyway, handguns and non-disclosed weapons are on a zero=toerance list...just like pot is there...same penalty....life in prison...death in Texas. |
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the USA. I don't even smoke so i have no unterior motive in stating thus.
Matter of fact, zero tolerance for most of the rest of the world as well, but thats another issue. I m i anot slander american people, we're all essentially the same breed..It is policy makers that seem to change according to the season/. IMHO. rick On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:57:19 -0500, Scott Vernon wrote: zero tolerance for pot? what frickin country are you talking about? snip |
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JAXAshby wrote:
the 12 ga you can get a permit to bring in. the pistol, too, if the barrel is long enough. No, you can't Cheers Marty |
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In English that means sub-par.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Well, no doubt! What's your IQ again? snicker LP Mensa |
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"none" wrote
...... The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. ..... Only police (c: AFAIK the only "study" indicating this was a wash promulgated by Sarah Brady's nut group. They found ONE obscure rural US county in which there had been one justifiable homicide and 47 suicides since the county began keeping records. From these dubious data they deduced that you're "47 times more likely" to be killed by your own gun than to defend yourself with it. This deduction ASSumes that the rest of the world's experiences match that one county and that guns are never used defensively unless someone is justifiably killed. Both are patently ridiculous but the idiot press still drags out this lie when convenient. Every broadbased, and thus statistically valid study shows just the opposite. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm: US Federal law provides a person, who is not prohibited by the GCA from receiving or transporting firearms, the right to transport a firearm under certain conditions, notwithstanding state or local law to the contrary. The firearms must be unloaded and in a locked trunk or, in a vehicle lacking a trunk, in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Also, the carrying and possession must be lawful at the place of origin and destination. [18 U. S. C. 926A, 27 CFR 178.38] 9. Unfortunately many states' police resent this and will instead arrest you for having that big bag of coke you didn't know you had, not to mention the explosives and kiddy porn and ...... |
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the 12 ga you can get a permit to bring in. the pistol, too, if the barrel
is long enough. No, you can't Cheers Marty here ya go dude. http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_...ts/visitin.asp that's a start. that site doesn't mention protection from wildlife, but the canadian site does. I just didn't spend any time looking for it. |
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never been here, eh?
"none" wrote in message ... the USA. I don't even smoke so i have no unterior motive in stating thus. Matter of fact, zero tolerance for most of the rest of the world as well, but thats another issue. I m i anot slander american people, we're all essentially the same breed..It is policy makers that seem to change according to the season/. IMHO. rick On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:57:19 -0500, Scott Vernon wrote: zero tolerance for pot? what frickin country are you talking about? snip |
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it is interesting to note that the IQ is used to describe deficits in
intelegence...for reason snobs thought that being less deficiant than some others was an atribute...so they started a club for those less challanged than the bulk of society...looks good on them. APFs. rick On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:09:12 -0800, Jonathan Ganz wrote: In English that means sub-par. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ |
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I have a Mossberg 12 gauge. For your information, you can get special
shot designed for marine use to scare birds away. It's tracer plus explosive. The same is also available in several pistol calibers. Good for fishing. TF wrote in message ... A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats I'm unaware of. The 12ga is for fishing ;) |
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TF wrote
I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. If you consider that a boat is a residence, I think you can keep arms aboard anywhere in the US. If you want to be sure, call the US Coast Guard. I've never heard of Coasties taking firearms from lawful owners. However, if you wanted to bring a handgun, it would be good to have at least one CCW permit. I'd recommend a gun Florida permit if you can't get one in your home port state. If you just carry the shotgun, I don't think you need any permit. You might want to get the line-launcher attachment for the Mossberg shotgun. I think a dual purpose safety device like that makes sense for fishing. Visit www.packing.org for more information. Bart Senior |
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Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior none wrote the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask, Do you know you could get the first shot off without hestation? I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a killer in an instant. dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation that starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get my gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner. I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could". rick On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote: I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. |
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Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior none wrote the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask, Do you know you could get the first shot off without hestation? I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a killer in an instant. dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation that starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get my gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner. I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could". rick On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote: I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. |
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N1EE wrote:
If you consider that a boat is a residence, I think you can keep arms aboard anywhere in the US. If you want to be sure, call the US Coast Guard. Definitely call. I'm pretty sure that a boat (live aboard or not) cannot be considered to have the same Constitutional rights & protections that a house & dry-land property have. I've never heard of Coasties taking firearms from lawful owners. However, if you wanted to bring a handgun, it would be good to have at least one CCW permit. I'd recommend a gun Florida permit if you can't get one in your home port state. If you just carry the shotgun, I don't think you need any permit Possibly not, but there are sure to be some communities that have an equivalent of the Sullivan Act which would (in theory) make it illegal to have *any* gun aboard when passing through. Another issue is that many authorities take a very dim view of people going around armed. In many places they come aboard and poke around asking nosy questions, and consider it their job. It is sure to be inconvenient at least to have them take an interest in your weapons. I've heard of many cases where local authorities simply confiscated guns, or required them to be taken to a gov't facility stored in bond and then became mysteriously missing when called for. You might want to get the line-launcher attachment for the Mossberg shotgun. I think a dual purpose safety device like that makes sense for fishing. A line throwing gun would be a great capability to add to a cruiser. You can also get line-throwing attachments for most .308 (7mm NATO) rifles. Visit www.packing.org for more information. Thanks for the link. You've given a lot of good info, Bart. Regards Doug King |
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JAXAshby wrote:
the 12 ga you can get a permit to bring in. the pistol, too, if the barrel is long enough. No, you can't Cheers Marty here ya go dude. http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_...ts/visitin.asp that's a start. that site doesn't mention protection from wildlife, but the canadian site does. I just didn't spend any time looking for it. Reading comprehension problems again? I wrote "you", we have a strict policy against allowing sociopaths to enter the country, armed or not. Cheers Marty |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:01:21 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote:
JAXAshby wrote: snip... http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_...ts/visitin.asp that's a start. that site doesn't mention protection from wildlife, but the canadian site does. I just didn't spend any time looking for it. Reading comprehension problems again? I wrote "you", we have a strict policy against allowing sociopaths to enter the country, armed or not. Cheers Marty I 'guess' i can see the logic of 'packing' in the US where many other packer's are and where you are 100:1 more likley to be gunned down cf Canada...But the argument wears mighty thin regarding packing in Canada where you have to try hard to find a reason to do so ....drug smokin hippies, shady cops, mean animals, commie *******s.. other 'un-enlightened' Americans...which one gives you such concern that you would try to kill them? The right to bear arms [and risk a sunburn] applies only to certain states with those United States and has no pluck anywhere else in the world. Just don't visit Canada if you feel the need to have a person killing m,achine on your person. The cops are SO antigun here that a 911 call metioning the word GUN will brign the wrath of god on the perps...whereas pulling a pistol from a a shaky hand will get you beat to death. IMHO rick rick |
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none wrote:
The cops are SO antigun here that a 911 call metioning the word GUN will brign the wrath of god on the perps...whereas pulling a pistol from a a shaky hand will get you beat to death. IMHO rick rick Exactly Rick, if Jax had bothered to read his link he would have seen that the only circumstance that might allow a bringing a restricted weapon (all handguns) into the country would be participation in a recognized shooting competition. Tooting around in your sail boat with one just doesn't cut it. I am sure that if the authorities (police, coasties, customs inspectors ...) were to board your vessel and find any sort of firearm onboard, would go pretty much ballistic. If it were a hand gun the story would probably make the front page of the National Post. Cheers Marty |
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sounds like a bunch of sissy-girl wimps up there.
Scotty "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... none wrote: The cops are SO antigun here that a 911 call metioning the word GUN will brign the wrath of god on the perps...whereas pulling a pistol from a a shaky hand will get you beat to death. IMHO rick rick Exactly Rick, if Jax had bothered to read his link he would have seen that the only circumstance that might allow a bringing a restricted weapon (all handguns) into the country would be participation in a recognized shooting competition. Tooting around in your sail boat with one just doesn't cut it. I am sure that if the authorities (police, coasties, customs inspectors ....) were to board your vessel and find any sort of firearm onboard, would go pretty much ballistic. If it were a hand gun the story would probably make the front page of the National Post. Cheers Marty |
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Scott Vernon wrote:
sounds like a bunch of sissy-girl wimps up there. We've got more guns per capita than 'mericans, but we don't use them the same way you do. Cheers Marty |
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