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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:08:43 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Do you think they don't? Perhaps you're just inexperienced in such matters. In many foreign ports, you will be boarded by the local authorities. They'll ask for a declaration of what you've got. If you claim you don't have a gun, they decide to search and find one, you could end up in a local prison. If you declare it, it will be confiscated and maybe returned when you leave (or maybe not, depending on the foreign port). In either case, you'll not have any use of it. But, feel free to take one along. Far be it from me to prevent you from going to jail again. You ever been to a foreign country? I dint think so. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
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You're the one who thinks a foreign country is your boyfriend's
butt. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:08:43 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Do you think they don't? Perhaps you're just inexperienced in such matters. In many foreign ports, you will be boarded by the local authorities. They'll ask for a declaration of what you've got. If you claim you don't have a gun, they decide to search and find one, you could end up in a local prison. If you declare it, it will be confiscated and maybe returned when you leave (or maybe not, depending on the foreign port). In either case, you'll not have any use of it. But, feel free to take one along. Far be it from me to prevent you from going to jail again. You ever been to a foreign country? I dint think so. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
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and your handgun will do what? from your boat where?
I do not own a handgun. In fact, the only time I have ever fired such was in Marine Corps training, and then with a Colt 1911A7 .45, a POS that fired so inaccurately that a 50 foot shot was considered -- by the Marine Corps -- to be long distance. I had also fired a rifle at up to 500 yards, qualifying as an Expert. The point was not the a pistol is a superior weapon, it is not, but rather that Canada allows such to imported under certain conditions. I understand the standard weapon in Yellowknife households is a rifle or sometimes shotgun, loaded and kept near the front door ready for immediate use in case children or adults need protection from hungry bear. If I were to make the Inside Passage and were to consider it likely going ashore, I probably would consider taking a rifle with me. I do know that prior when my brother was considering flying a small aircraft from Montana to Alaska he was told by the Canadian authorities that he would be required to take a large bore (meaning NOT a .22) rifle or shotgun with him as he passed over Canadian territory. It had to be a large rifle or shotgun unless his aircraft was physically too small to carry such, in which case he would be allowed to carry a large bore pistol, but he would be inspected so if the rifle would fit, take it. |
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"none" wrote in message ... i doubt we could ever be in agreeance...i only respond to you to see how low you are willing to go. So far you and the neighbors dog are intelectual equals. don't disapoint me....it is quite entertaining. Asa is the best newsgroup on the Internet! Where else could you see the word "agreeance" used in an argument about intelligence? Regards Donal -- |
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JAXAshby wrote:
the only circumstance that might allow a bringing a restricted weapon (all handguns) into the country would be participation in a recognized shooting competition. or for protection from animals. Wrong again. "You cannot get an ATT for the purpose of hunting or self-protection." Try reading that which you post links to. Cheers Marty |
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JAXAshby wrote:
I understand the standard weapon in Yellowknife households is a rifle or sometimes shotgun, loaded and kept near the front door ready for immediate use in case children or adults need protection from hungry bear. Written a definitive treatise on the subject? Yet another thing to add to the already long list of subjects about which you know absolutely nothing, how people live in Yellowknife. Mooron would kill himself laughing at your fear and naiveté. Cheers Marty |
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Horvath wrote:
What kind of bear? Most black bears are harmless, and are afraid of people. Even Horvath knows more than Jax! Cheers Marty |
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you are WRONG d00d. get used to it.
the only circumstance that might allow a bringing a restricted weapon (all handguns) into the country would be participation in a recognized shooting competition. or for protection from animals. Wrong again. "You cannot get an ATT for the purpose of hunting or self-protection." Try reading that which you post links to. Cheers Marty |
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JAXAshby wrote:
you are WRONG d00d. get used to it. I see you speed type as poorly as you speed read. Cheers Marty |
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no d00d, you just don't qualify as a dude.
you are WRONG d00d. get used to it. I see you speed type as poorly as you speed read. Cheers Marty |
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i have pulled the freeaks out the closet i guess?
On 04 Apr 2004 00:00:17 GMT, JAXAshby wrote: google "bear" "attacks" "Canada" and see what Canadians think of those nice cuddly things. and your handgun will do what? from your boat where? FGS i live here, this is pretty much the sort of thing that tells me you have no clue what you are tlaking about I would rather meet a bear than a sickphuk with a handgun looking desperately for a reason to use it. the bear is more preditable. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ |
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none wrote:
i have pulled the freeaks out the closet i guess? Not really. Jax is no doubt somewhat of a freak, he has however been out of the closet for some time; ask him nicely and he may post you a picture of himself in speedos. Cheers Marty |
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nope. you just showed yourself to be a canuck bigot.
i have pulled the freeaks out the closet i guess? On 04 Apr 2004 00:00:17 GMT, JAXAshby wrote: google "bear" "attacks" "Canada" and see what Canadians think of those nice cuddly things. and your handgun will do what? from your boat where? FGS i live here, this is pretty much the sort of thing that tells me you have no clue what you are tlaking about I would rather meet a bear than a sickphuk with a handgun looking desperately for a reason to use it. the bear is more preditable. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ |
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If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from fair matches and look for weaker targets. Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime. Do you remember the man who had his throat cut a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime. Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in dangerous locations. There have been cases where unarmed people were killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours. You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun. The risk is small but still finite and real. I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve double duty as a line thrower and signalling device. I'd use it for signaling for sure. Bart By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior |
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Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare
the gun, it'll be confiscated. If you don't declare it and they find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very, very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates are known to be. Second, stay in a group if you do need or want to go there. Third, lock things up and have them looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the techniques you describe in your post. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... If you read the piracy reports, most pirates don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from fair matches and look for weaker targets. Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime. Do you remember the man who had his throat cut a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime. Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in dangerous locations. There have been cases where unarmed people were killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours. You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun. The risk is small but still finite and real. I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve double duty as a line thrower and signalling device. I'd use it for signaling for sure. Bart By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior |
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By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. not even close. a long time ago -- i.e. "old glass hull -- I fired a .22 into fiberglass from a boat and the round went through almost as if it were cardboard. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote I fired a .22 into my MacGregor 26 M with a double hull and the round went through almost as if it were wet cardboard. |
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I saw a boat in Florida, built of thick fiberglass
without core. It was at leat partially bulletproof. I saw pictures which showed it stopped a .357 magnum. The pictures showed radial cracks and a crater in the center, and partial penetration. The owner/seller, offered to let me take a shot at it if I agreed to fix the damage. I don't know what sort of ammunition he used. I could not tell if the bullet bounced or was embedded. I expect a .223 ball round would penentrate it. (JAXAshby) wrote By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. not even close. a long time ago -- i.e. "old glass hull -- I fired a .22 into fiberglass from a boat and the round went through almost as if it were cardboard. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare the gun, it'll be confiscated. No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard, waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons. And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG. Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect. If you don't declare it and they find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very, very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates are known to be. Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And pass up on something you wanted to do. Second, stay in a group if you do need or want to go there. Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat. Third, lock things up and have them looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the techniques you describe in your post. 4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice. Gun control is knowing how to hit your target! Joe Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... If you read the piracy reports, most pirates don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from fair matches and look for weaker targets. Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime. Do you remember the man who had his throat cut a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime. Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in dangerous locations. There have been cases where unarmed people were killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours. You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun. The risk is small but still finite and real. I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve double duty as a line thrower and signalling device. I'd use it for signaling for sure. Bart By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. Another endorsement for steel hulls! And they will not have a chance to board my boat at night without me knowing. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior none wrote the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask, Do you know you could get the first shot off without hestation? I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a killer in an instant. dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation that starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get my gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner. I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could". rick On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote: I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US lines. Any links etc would be appreciated. |
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I mis-typed... that's what I meant to say. However, you still
won't have use of it. As to the other stuff... who cares in international waters... you need it in port. I can just imagine trying to shoot a pirate with a bang stick. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare the gun, it'll be confiscated. No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard, waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons. And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG. Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect. If you don't declare it and they find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very, very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates are known to be. Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And pass up on something you wanted to do. Second, stay in a group if you do need or want to go there. Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat. Third, lock things up and have them looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the techniques you describe in your post. 4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice. Gun control is knowing how to hit your target! Joe Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... If you read the piracy reports, most pirates don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from fair matches and look for weaker targets. Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime. Do you remember the man who had his throat cut a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime. Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in dangerous locations. There have been cases where unarmed people were killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours. You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun. The risk is small but still finite and real. I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve double duty as a line thrower and signalling device. I'd use it for signaling for sure. Bart By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... I can just imagine trying to bang a pirate with my stick. |
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Really? A new dimension for you....
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... I can just imagine trying to bang a pirate with my stick. |
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I never go anywhere overnight without a gun. In fact we just bought our first
auto (we've just had 357s until now) We got a Beretta 92FS 9mm. If it's good enough for the military it's good enough for us. The Veridican |
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Ed, including the bank?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "EdGordonRN" wrote in message ... I never go anywhere overnight without a gun. In fact we just bought our first auto (we've just had 357s until now) We got a Beretta 92FS 9mm. If it's good enough for the military it's good enough for us. The Veridican |
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Ed, including the bank?
Especially the bank! And the stupid convenience store down the road. I swear if it gets 20 bucks in its till, I'm there with my gun. The Veridican |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I mis-typed... that's what I meant to say. However, you still won't have use of it. Thats OK with a long gun. They are for underway anyway. You would be suprised how easy it is to hide a Colt Pocket Pony. As to the other stuff... who cares in international waters... I mis-typed I wanted to say you can carry a line gun in any waters. Its safety equipment and to take it would open up any country for a major lawsuit. But you better have the box of buckshot well hidden. you need it in port. I can just imagine trying to shoot a pirate with a bang stick. You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger, beats the hell out of most knifes. Not my favorite choice but you have to be willing to improvise. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare the gun, it'll be confiscated. No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard, waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons. And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG. Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect. If you don't declare it and they find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very, very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates are known to be. Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And pass up on something you wanted to do. Second, stay in a group if you do need or want to go there. Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat. Third, lock things up and have them looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the techniques you describe in your post. 4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice. Gun control is knowing how to hit your target! Joe Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... If you read the piracy reports, most pirates don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from fair matches and look for weaker targets. Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime. Do you remember the man who had his throat cut a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime. Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in dangerous locations. There have been cases where unarmed people were killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours. You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun. The risk is small but still finite and real. I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve double duty as a line thrower and signalling device. I'd use it for signaling for sure. Bart By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger than you think. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn your glass boat into Swiss Cheese. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "N1EE" wrote in message om... Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems likely that you would be smart enough to practice and be prepared to use it. There are new types of ammunition that will not penetrate a hull and would be suitable for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use. More than a few stories tell how sailors fired a couple shots and scared off pirates. If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any sort of a plan, you will probably get killed yourself. If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If you are leader, that is capable and responsible, perhaps you might want to consider firearms as a means to protect your loved ones. Bart Senior |
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You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ...
yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
... You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice .... yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. You may be right. Perhaps Joe isn't a stone killer. OTOH it would be foolish to assume that he is incapable of popping a cap on some criminal who's threatening him, and I'd be willing to bet that there are one or two "stones" on this very NG. Cheers, Vito |
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(N1EE) wrote in message . com...
(Joe) wrote And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG. Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect. That is the one I want to get--or at least the attachments. @ $690.00 for the linethrowing attachment alone, it's not cheap, but it would be cheap if you needed it in a hurry, and the only other option was a helicopter. Bart I like the international orange Stock. Make quite clear your ready no matter the inted use at sea to any approching vessel. Mossbergs are excellent shot guns. The cost of using the line system can be charged to the vessel your salvaging. Joe |
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joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer.
I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun. joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell of living even a few hundreths of a second. have another beer, joe. You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ... yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. Jaxie, Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain. I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard. Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door? I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first with zero hesitation. Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS. Joe |
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Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods
red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers. SV "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer. I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun. joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell of living even a few hundreths of a second. have another beer, joe. You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ... yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. Jaxie, Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain. I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard. Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door? I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first with zero hesitation. Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS. Joe |
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We're not talking Iraq right?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers. SV "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer. I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun. joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell of living even a few hundreths of a second. have another beer, joe. You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ... yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. Jaxie, Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain. I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard. Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door? I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first with zero hesitation. Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS. Joe |
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was "the Patriot" about the battle of New Orleans in 1815? If so, the American
redneck farmers had hunting rifles that could fire accurately at up to 200 yards, while the Brits had rifles accurate to only 100 yards. The Americans would shoot at the Brits until they were getting to close, then back up. The Brits also used a battlefield tactic they found useful for the flat plains of Europe, namely lining up in rows and marching forward to overwhelm the enemy, with losses. The terrain of the Battle of New Orleans did not make this tactic viable. Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers. SV "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer. I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun. joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell of living even a few hundreths of a second. have another beer, joe. You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ... yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. Jaxie, Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain. I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard. Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door? I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first with zero hesitation. Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS. Joe |
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"JAXAshby" wrote
joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell of living even a few hundreths of a second. ... While this may or may not be true (I don't know Joe's background & training), he is hardly likely to find any real pros, such as SEALs, FBI SWAT, etc., committing piracy. Most perp'ing these kinds of crimes are stupid addicts weakened by their habits (Smart crooks become politicians and pass anti-gun laws to protect their less intellegent brethern). This gives Joe an edge. When two young men broke into an elderly (80s) man's home recently the geezer shot one of them to death with his own gun then chased the other away. But you'll not read that one in the N.Y. Times or Washington Compost. |
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No, but I've read about that battle. Kinda funny, no? This one took place
in SC or NC. SV "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... was "the Patriot" about the battle of New Orleans in 1815? If so, the American redneck farmers had hunting rifles that could fire accurately at up to 200 yards, while the Brits had rifles accurate to only 100 yards. The Americans would shoot at the Brits until they were getting to close, then back up. The Brits also used a battlefield tactic they found useful for the flat plains of Europe, namely lining up in rows and marching forward to overwhelm the enemy, with losses. The terrain of the Battle of New Orleans did not make this tactic viable. Watched 'The Patriot' last night. I loved the way a few bumbling backwoods red-neck farmers got the best of Her Majesties finest soldiers. SV "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... joe, you are tough and hard. At least when you are drinking beer. I assure you that I can -- and have -- fire a semi-automatic rifle quickly enough to make all around believe I fired the M-60 machine gun. joe, faced with a professional you wouldn't stand a snow ball's chance in Hell of living even a few hundreths of a second. have another beer, joe. You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ... yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them. chivalrous you. Jaxie, Loosen your speedos, your losing to much blood to your brain. I have no problem at all killing anyone that breaks into my boat. I live aboard full time. I figure if someone breaks into my boat they will do anything not to be stopped. It's very odvious we live aboard. Just like in your house Im sure you think about security. What would you do if you wokeup with someone kicking in your door? I've been on the wrong end of a gun before, some drugged out shrimpboat deckhand stole my truck at gunpoint, and I have been stabbed once in the leg by a bandito in the phillipines. That was then, I learned by my mistakes. Now I will get the drop on them first with zero hesitation. Your responce to my post sounds like someone with PTSS. Joe |
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