I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely
illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen
onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels, special
permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats.
Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on chartering
to non-citizens.

As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the
Documentation would lapse if it was sold.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US
and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can
he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."

jeffies, you idiot. you found a special chartering case to support a point
that was not under discussion.

PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THEY LET A NONCITIZEN OPERATE
THEIR BOAT.

to anyone who has a documented boat and has noncitizen friends or a spouse who
might be inclined to use your boat without you aboard, do consider that if the
CG boards your boat -- and even a safety check -- you can lose your
documentation. Ignore jeffies. It is your boat, your documentation.

I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely
illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen
onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels,
special
permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats.
Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on
chartering
to non-citizens.

As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the
Documentation would lapse if it was sold.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering.
The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US
and
how he might document (or register) that boat.

The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor
can
he
control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by
him
doing so. Period.

Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its
waters.
*some* countries will accept state registration.

To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID
card.
To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa.

The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not
get
either a SS card or a visa in this country.

He is **** out of luck. As well he should be.

What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now
claim
its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a
pleasure boat to a non-citizen.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
from the Code of Federal Regulations:

"q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a
Documented
Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or
administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a
Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a
Noncitizen
that
is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel."