"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Ric,

Perhaps you would tell the ASA Group what is so desirable about this US
VESSEL, other than its Documentation. Tell us, is it a one-off vessel
that is not to be found anywhere else in the world other than the USA?
What is it about this boat?

The USA did not make you an undesirable. You had achieved this status
before you reached our shores. We have a right to not want you or to do
business with you. Your status is of your own making!!!

If that boat has a US Documentation it is entitled to US RIGHTS not
available to UNDESIRABLES!!!!

Take your book's profits somewhere else, as a Nation we (I) don't want
to deal with you.

Ole Thom

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:32:56 GMT, Plastiekske
wrote:

felton wrote:



BTW: how did you know I was from the "say somewhere in the Antwerp area" ? :)

Frank

Well, you did mention Belgium and I spent some time in Antwerp and
remember walking along the docks, so I just took a wild guess:)
Antwerp is lovely place, but I grew up in West Texas, so don't let my
opinion go to your head:)

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Hey dumbass... this is not bob. It's a sockpuppet.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
bob, the dum-dum is flogging a book, trying to make money off his criminal
actions.

if he really wanted to buy a boat there are lots of places to buy one.
Indeed,
the French areas of the Caribbean are reportedly chock-a-block with boats
sailed by Frenchies there and then left behind.

France would be a great country if the French would leave.

Oh there's always loonies out there, especially in Amerika. But here in
France people are better balanced, and also not so gun-crazy.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Here are some keywords for you: ASSHOLE, STUPID

No need to investigate. It's an observable fact.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"Ric" wrote in message
...
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Capt.American wrote:



Whats the name of the book you wrote?

You could try following the link that he posted.

Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't
really have a "home country"

Whats wrong crybaby, no ones stupid enough to have a traitor for a
citizen?


and I would also far rather not have it under
US flag if I can avoid it

Then dont buy it douch bag! Keep your sticking money.

as I quite like to have boats of other
nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want
the
USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US
war
machine.

Kiss my ass dick breath, I had waves and friendly conversation from
boats and people from all over this earth. Sounds like the USCG needs
to be inspecting traitors like you, no telling what your stealing or
who your selling out.. Do us all a favor and stay out of US waters,
your not welcome. Your Un-desireable.

I just hope the National security office picks up on you.

Key words for echelon NIS, CIA, FBI : Bomb-nuclear-Bio dirty . End of
Key words

Please investigate this mans (Ric the author) actions he is an
undesireable alien , track him down and ship him to gitmo.

Capt. American


Capt. American

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

a real estate lawyer and you are preaching about admiralty law?

try telling it to the CG judges, "the courts" in this case, and see if they
agree.

you generalized your specifics, davy, to the universal. it is a dumb mistake
to make for someone with "30 years experience" even if it is in real estate, or
wills, or incorporations, or matrimonial, or literary, or patents, or defending
DWI's.

Try telling it to the CG judges and see how long you keep the documentation.

dave, *I* suggest you take a look at the word "control" as interpreted by
the
courts.

Don't need to, Jax. I've been a practicing lawyer for 30 years, and the term
"control" and its meaning comes up about once a week in my practice areas.
Matter of fact, I've written 3 legal memoranda in the last month on the
meaning of "control" under various statutes and regulations.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Thom, that clown is doing nothing but flogging his book trying to make money
off his criminal actions.

Ric,

Perhaps you would tell the ASA Group what is so desirable about this US
VESSEL, other than its Documentation. Tell us, is it a one-off vessel
that is not to be found anywhere else in the world other than the USA?
What is it about this boat?

The USA did not make you an undesirable. You had achieved this status
before you reached our shores. We have a right to not want you or to do
business with you. Your status is of your own making!!!

If that boat has a US Documentation it is entitled to US RIGHTS not
available to UNDESIRABLES!!!!

Take your book's profits somewhere else, as a Nation we (I) don't want
to deal with you.

Ole Thom

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

On 11 Mar 2004 16:35:30 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

a real estate lawyer and you are preaching about admiralty law?

try telling it to the CG judges, "the courts" in this case, and see if they
agree.

you generalized your specifics, davy, to the universal. it is a dumb mistake
to make for someone with "30 years experience" even if it is in real estate, or
wills, or incorporations, or matrimonial, or literary, or patents, or defending
DWI's.

Try telling it to the CG judges and see how long you keep the documentation.

You are the one who posted some legal verbage in which it is clear to
all but you that the words "effective control" related to ownership,
not the casual operation of a recreational vessel. If you know of a
specific case that illustrates your contention, why not post it? I
have a hard time believing that if I were to allow my Italian friend
to sail my boat, I would put my documentation in jeopardy.

I'll try and keep my anxiety under control until the confusion is
resolved:)

dave, *I* suggest you take a look at the word "control" as interpreted by
the
courts.

Don't need to, Jax. I've been a practicing lawyer for 30 years, and the term
"control" and its meaning comes up about once a week in my practice areas.
Matter of fact, I've written 3 legal memoranda in the last month on the
meaning of "control" under various statutes and regulations.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

felton wrote:

Well, you did mention Belgium and I spent some time in Antwerp and
remember walking along the docks, so I just took a wild guess:)
Antwerp is lovely place, but I grew up in West Texas, so don't let my
opinion go to your head:)

hey, being from Antwerp, I don't need anyone's opinion to go to my head. The plain and simple truth
is that it's one of the nicest cities of Europe :) (but then again, I might be just slightly
biased).

Now, about this 'what if' scenario you gave, combined with the other discussion in this thread =
could a US-documented yacht have a non-US citizen as a skipper on a delivery along the East Coast
and then out of the USA?

Frank

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Dave wrote:
On 11 Mar 2004 04:59:27 GMT, (JAXAshby) said:


dave, *I* suggest you take a look at the word "control" as interpreted by the
courts.


Don't need to, Jax. I've been a practicing lawyer for 30 years,

Oops! Jax is caught again, I can't wait for the blustering!

Cheers
Marty

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:50:57 GMT, Plastiekske
wrote:

felton wrote:

Well, you did mention Belgium and I spent some time in Antwerp and
remember walking along the docks, so I just took a wild guess:)
Antwerp is lovely place, but I grew up in West Texas, so don't let my
opinion go to your head:)

hey, being from Antwerp, I don't need anyone's opinion to go to my head. The plain and simple truth
is that it's one of the nicest cities of Europe :) (but then again, I might be just slightly
biased).

It did seem very nice, and I was always there in the Winter.


Now, about this 'what if' scenario you gave, combined with the other discussion in this thread =
could a US-documented yacht have a non-US citizen as a skipper on a delivery along the East Coast
and then out of the USA?

Frank

I am no authority, but as a matter of supposition, many boats are
transported by delivery skippers from point A to point B. I would
think it would be prudent to have some sort of written authorization
on board. I am certain it would be simple enough to make an inquiry
of the Coast Guard as to what, if anything, is needed to sail a boat
for an owner to Europe.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

I
have a hard time believing that if I were to allow my Italian friend
to sail my boat, I would put my documentation in jeopardy.

try it. go ahead.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
bob, the dum-dum is flogging a book, trying to make money off his criminal
actions.

You wally. Read my post - I made no mention of my book until somebody asked.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum dum, *you* said *you* broke a Brit law and they wish to arrest you for
it.
that is not our problem, but rather yours.

we don't give visas to people who are wanted for criminal actions in other
countries.

Except that what I did is not against the law in your country. It is as if I
was a Saudi who had drunk some beer in Mecca - would you support the arrest
of all Saudis who drink beer? Like I said, maybe the French police should
start arresting all Amerikan women who flash their nipples on the Cote
D'Azur. You obviously don't know much about law do you?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I just want to buy the boat then get out fast.

skip the middle step. just get out fast. buy a boat somewhere else. NZ
for
instance, or France which you love so much.

As I said, your money is now worthless and boats are very cheap in the USA.
You need the hard currency, so you should be grateful. Your treasury sure is
because I just heard today they've given me a visa lol!!

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Ric,

Perhaps you would tell the ASA Group what is so desirable about this US
VESSEL, other than its Documentation. Tell us, is it a one-off vessel
that is not to be found anywhere else in the world other than the USA?
What is it about this boat?

It's a Garcia Passoa, a French boat. But as your dollar is worthless these
days, it is approximately 40% cheaper than a similar boat outside of USA.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

ah, gee. he didn't make mention of his book on his criminal activities and
where to buy it until someone asked why he has been declared an "undesireable
alien".

Of course, THAT means he isn't trying to flog his book at all, he is just
clearing up a question.

yeah, sure.

bob, the dum-dum is flogging a book, trying to make money off his criminal
actions.

You wally. Read my post - I made no mention of my book until somebody asked.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

dum-dum, you knowingly and deliberately broke a law in another country. You
have proven your capability to commit criminal acts.

why are we assume you will have greater respect for our laws while you are here
than you had respect for their laws while you were there?

take your dumb book and go away.

dum dum, *you* said *you* broke a Brit law and they wish to arrest you for
it.
that is not our problem, but rather yours.

we don't give visas to people who are wanted for criminal actions in other
countries.

Except that what I did is not against the law in your country. It is as if I
was a Saudi who had drunk some beer in Mecca - would you support the arrest
of all Saudis who drink beer? Like I said, maybe the French police should
start arresting all Amerikan women who flash their nipples on the Cote
D'Azur. You obviously don't know much about law do you?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

in other words, this whole was a sham on your part to sell your stupid book.

I just heard today they've given me a visa lol!!

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

bull****. the royalties on such a book are a pitance compared to the price of
a Garcia.

And no way in hell would you be flogging that stupid book here if you didn't
need the small amount of money it *might* bring in.


It's a Garcia

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:34:00 +0100, "Ric" wrote:


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum dum, *you* said *you* broke a Brit law and they wish to arrest you for
it.
that is not our problem, but rather yours.

we don't give visas to people who are wanted for criminal actions in other
countries.

Except that what I did is not against the law in your country. It is as if I
was a Saudi who had drunk some beer in Mecca - would you support the arrest
of all Saudis who drink beer? Like I said, maybe the French police should
start arresting all Amerikan women who flash their nipples on the Cote
D'Azur. You obviously don't know much about law do you?

I am all in favor of nipples, personally. Jax may have "issues",
though:)

As Jax is all worked up about the book, I was wondering how difficult
it might be to purchase an autographed copy of one?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

felton, the guy has been dying that you might ask. that's why he was here.

I was wondering how difficult
it might be to purchase an autographed copy of one?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

This idiot writes books and spells Amerikan great also.

Except that what I did is not against the law in your country. It is as if
I
was a Saudi who had drunk some beer in Mecca - would you support the
arrest
of all Saudis who drink beer? Like I said, maybe the French police should
start arresting all Amerikan women who flash their nipples on the Cote
D'Azur. You obviously don't know much about law do you?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

On 11 Mar 2004 19:15:57 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

felton, the guy has been dying that you might ask. that's why he was here.

Good. I like a good read, and I'll enjoy it all the more with an
autographed copy:)


I was wondering how difficult
it might be to purchase an autographed copy of one?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
in other words, this whole was a sham on your part to sell your stupid
book.

It wasn't actually. It was a genuine post to seek advice from american
sailors, most of whom I know are perfectly nice people. But luckily I
stumbled across a dimwit like you who has mentioned my book about twenty
times so far. Keep up the good work, Jacko! As the old saying goes, all
publicity is good publicity.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

felton? How does it feel to have a fishhook in your mouth?

felton, the guy has been dying that you might ask. that's why he was here.

Good. I like a good read, and I'll enjoy it all the more with an
autographed copy:)


I was wondering how difficult
it might be to purchase an autographed copy of one?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
bull****. the royalties on such a book are a pitance compared to the
price of
a Garcia.

And no way in hell would you be flogging that stupid book here if you
didn't
need the small amount of money it *might* bring in.

Thanks wacko jacko, that's another mention for my book. Maybe I should
appoint you as my publicity agent in the USA? You seem pretty good at it.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Martin Baxter wrote in message ...
Ric wrote:

Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't
really have a "home country" and I would also far rather not have it under
US flag if I can avoid it as I quite like to have boats of other
nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the
USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war
machine.


You could try registering it in my province, Ontario. When I registered my boat
all they wanted was the bill of sale and the GST, (8%), didn't ask where I was
from, or for ID for that matter. This is not the same as documentation, but you
get a nice little certificate that says that you are the owner of the vessel and that
it is registered in Canada.

Great, Thanks Martin. You kanooks are some of the most backstabbing
*******s
on the planet. Bet you were busy shuffeling draft dodger during
Vietnam. Now your trying to aid a wanted traitor, who told all in a
"Easy to put down book"

With your types it's no wonder terriorist like to come in the USA via
Canada.

You must be a French Kanook.

Capt. American



You then must put a set of letters and numbers on the
side of the vessel.

Cheers
Marty

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

in other words, this whole was a sham on your part to sell your stupid
book.

It wasn't actually.

just virtually?

It was ... advice ... luckily I ...mentioned my book about twenty
times so far.... As the old saying goes, all
publicity is good publicity.

So it has been said by b-grade actresses just before they decide to do porno
films to pay the rent.

I didn't know hacks used the very same term.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

your next book is about your days turning tricks on 42nd Street?

dude, the only one even claiming to even think about buying your book was
felton, and he doesn't have the money to buy a candy bar lunch, let alone a
book.


...wacko ...that's my book. Maybe ...?

yeah, wacko is right if you think you can get anyone to believe the pittance
royalities on a remaindered 10 days after publication book will buy a Garcia.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

yeah, wacko is right if you think you can get anyone to believe the
pittance
royalities on a remaindered 10 days after publication book will buy a
Garcia.

You obviously didn't read how much compensation I got lol!

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

On 11 Mar 2004 19:52:03 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

your next book is about your days turning tricks on 42nd Street?

dude, the only one even claiming to even think about buying your book was
felton, and he doesn't have the money to buy a candy bar lunch, let alone a
book.

Oh, I think I can scrape the money together. I was saving up for some
Ebay oars, but I would rather have the book:)


...wacko ...that's my book. Maybe ...?

yeah, wacko is right if you think you can get anyone to believe the pittance
royalities on a remaindered 10 days after publication book will buy a Garcia.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

What is the title of your book? Who is the publisher, and how can i get a
copy to read? I reserve judgment untill then, also assistance.
"Ric" wrote in message
...

"Free Rider" wrote in message
...
Curious...we're supposed to have free speech here in Amerika, so why
would
they call you "undesirable" unless you were hitting on the immigrations
chick? What book is this that has banned you? I may want to buy it.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...1903813018/new
/ref%3Dsdp%5Fnewb/202-9391212-5292618

There is an arrest warrant for me in the UK for publishing this book. As a
result, the USA will not give me a visa, since they depend on UK to back
them up when they invade other countries, and so do them favours in return
like making life difficult for me.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

he knows little of anything, ignore him and he will eventually go away.
"Ric" wrote in message
...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dum dum, *you* said *you* broke a Brit law and they wish to arrest you
for
it.
that is not our problem, but rather yours.

we don't give visas to people who are wanted for criminal actions in
other
countries.

Except that what I did is not against the law in your country. It is as if
I
was a Saudi who had drunk some beer in Mecca - would you support the
arrest
of all Saudis who drink beer? Like I said, maybe the French police should
start arresting all Amerikan women who flash their nipples on the Cote
D'Azur. You obviously don't know much about law do you?

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

You obviously didn't read how much compensation I got lol!


you mean how much you say you got.

So, let's take a guess, shall we?

--how many books were printed?

on that kind of book, MAYbe 5,000.

-- how many books were sold to bookstores?

MAYBE 2,500

-- how many were sent back by the book stores as unsaleable?

probably about half

-- how many net sales?

about 1250

what was the royality %?

10% is usual for anyone but an extreme celebrity.

-- what was cover price of book?

I didn't check, but let's say thirteen dollars.

-- net sales income?

about $16,000

-- to the author?

no, $1,600 is total royalties at 10%

-- the author got $1,600?

no he had to pay his agent $160.

-- that's not a lot of money.

certainly not enough to buy a Garcia with.

-- I thought authors got rich

some do, most wait tables of teach high school

-- how about the big time writers of nautical guides and such. They got rich,
right?

most make less than a few hundred dollars a year on their books.

-- can I buy a Garcia on a few hundred dollars?

ah, no.

-- maybe the guy sold 500,000 books?

ah, no.

-- maybe he sold more than 1250?

maybe

-- maybe he sold more than 12,500

maybe, but that would be unusual for that type of book.

-- maybe he sold more than 125,000 books?

yeah. maybe

-- could he buy a Garcia for $150,000?

not usually. besides, he wouldn't have that in aftertax income.

-- you mean he is lying to us?

well, he does make about 9% of the selling price of each bood sold. he got
Felton to say *he* wanted a book. So, if Felton comes through, the guy made
maybe a buck, less taxes for his efforts today. If he in fact has earned out
his advance at this point. Most books of this type never earn out their
advance.

-- perhaps you know people in the business?

perhaps.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
You obviously didn't read how much compensation I got lol!


you mean how much you say you got.

So, let's take a guess, shall we?

--how many books were printed?

on that kind of book, MAYbe 5,000.

Actually, it is published in German, French, Catalan, Spanish, and Russian
too. The version you see on Amazon is just the UK version - it was published
in English in Australia and NZ too. It was also serialised in the Sunday
Times. But you obviously didn't understand my point - the compensation was
paid to me by the European Court of Human Rights, because what the UK
governement did to me was illegal under European law. But whatever, I'm not
actually paying for the Garcia with money from the book - I've already spent
all that. And thanks again for all the free publicity you are giving me, I
wouldn't normally mention my book on usenet but you don't seem to want to
drop the subject so carry on. Maybe I'll send you a cut and you can buy
yourself a MacGregor.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Yeah Ric,

And the British hung "Nathan Hale" because he refused to do what you so
willingly did.

The difference between a "Patriot and a Traitor"

Again You mock our values but want access to advantages. Get lost!

Pay the man his price for the boat, get a bill of sale and register it
in the 'Wonderful Lands of the Crooked Frogs"

I for one don't want you.

If you buy it in New York I do believe you will have to pay a State
Sales Tax and then a tax on the difference between the Euro/ Dollar
value. So, Take care of your preferred life style and get LOST

Ole Thom

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

what a bull****ter you are. ever consider writing Nick Carter novels?

Enjoy your imaginary Gracia.

You obviously didn't read how much compensation I got lol!


you mean how much you say you got.

So, let's take a guess, shall we?

--how many books were printed?

on that kind of book, MAYbe 5,000.

Actually, it is published in German, French, Catalan, Spanish, and Russian
too. The version you see on Amazon is just the UK version - it was published
in English in Australia and NZ too. It was also serialised in the Sunday
Times. But you obviously didn't understand my point - the compensation was
paid to me by the European Court of Human Rights, because what the UK
governement did to me was illegal under European law. But whatever, I'm not
actually paying for the Garcia with money from the book - I've already spent
all that. And thanks again for all the free publicity you are giving me, I
wouldn't normally mention my book on usenet but you don't seem to want to
drop the subject so carry on. Maybe I'll send you a cut and you can buy
yourself a MacGregor.

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Right Marty,

Letters on the side and registed Owner on the Title and the UK can pick
him up. no problem LOL

Ole Thom

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Undesirable alien" buying a US flagged boat
 

Thom stated Take your book's profits somewhere else

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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein