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sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens
control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats. you are talking aboutthe special case of chartering below. OK. 46CFR221 goes into some detail about the process of chartering, including the permissions required to charter to non-citizens and the fees involved (several hundred dollars) to obtain this approval. However, 46CFR221.11: (b)(1) The approvals required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section are not required for the following Documented Vessel types if the vessel has been operated exclusively and with bona fides for one or more of the following uses, under a Certificate of Documentation with an appropriate endorsement and no other, since initial documentation or renewal of its documentation following construction, conversion, or transfer from foreign registry, or, if it has not yet so operated, if the vessel has been designed and built and will be operated for one or more of the following uses: ... (iv) A Pleasure vessel. Once again, jaxie, you're busted. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... sorry, dude. That's your job. sorry, dude. aliens are not allowed to document a boat in the US. In addition, aliens are not allowed to operate a US documented boat without a citizen aboard. maybe charter boats have a special exemption? maybe the CG doesn't check? Maybe there's no such regulation? The CFR is online, jaxie, it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the reg. |
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dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The
discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US and how he might document (or register) that boat. The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can he control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him doing so. Period. Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters. *some* countries will accept state registration. To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card. To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa. The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get either a SS card or a visa in this country. He is **** out of luck. As well he should be. What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now claim its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a pleasure boat to a non-citizen. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... from the Code of Federal Regulations: "q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen that is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel." |
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I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely
illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels, special permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats. Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on chartering to non-citizens. As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the Documentation would lapse if it was sold. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US and how he might document (or register) that boat. The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can he control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him doing so. Period. Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters. *some* countries will accept state registration. To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card. To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa. The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get either a SS card or a visa in this country. He is **** out of luck. As well he should be. What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now claim its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a pleasure boat to a non-citizen. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... from the Code of Federal Regulations: "q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen that is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel." |
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jeffies, you idiot. you found a special chartering case to support a point
that was not under discussion. PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THEY LET A NONCITIZEN OPERATE THEIR BOAT. to anyone who has a documented boat and has noncitizen friends or a spouse who might be inclined to use your boat without you aboard, do consider that if the CG boards your boat -- and even a safety check -- you can lose your documentation. Ignore jeffies. It is your boat, your documentation. I'm not quoting out of context. You claimed twice that it was absolutely illegal for a non-citizen to operate a documented vessel without a citizen onboard. That is simply not true. For chartering commercial vessels, special permission must be applied for, but this is not required for pleasure boats. Fishing vessels are a special case - there are severe restrictions on chartering to non-citizens. As to the issue of selling a boat - I was the first to point out that the Documentation would lapse if it was sold. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... dum-dum, are quoting -- out of context -- the special case of chartering. The discussion was and is about a noncitizen buying a documented boat in the US and how he might document (or register) that boat. The reality is that he can't. He can NOT document as a noncitizen. Nor can he control a US documented vessel, for documentation is lost immediately by him doing so. Period. Many countries insist on documentation of a vessel to allow it in its waters. *some* countries will accept state registration. To register a boat in any state requires a drivers license, or state ID card. To get either requires an original Social Security Card or a visa. The clown who deliberately broke the British national security law can not get either a SS card or a visa in this country. He is **** out of luck. As well he should be. What is this,jaxie, you just grabbed a random section of the CFR and now claim its relevant? I posted the reg that explicitly says its OK to charter a pleasure boat to a non-citizen. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... from the Code of Federal Regulations: "q) Transfer means the passing of control of or an interest in a Documented Vessel and includes the involuntary conveyance by a foreign judicial or administrative tribunal of any interest in or control of a Documented Vessel owned by a Citizen of the United States to a Noncitizen that is not eligible to own a Documented Vessel." |
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Buzi boy asked: What planet are you from? Does your finger cure =
sickness? Do you phone home? He said "undesirable"...ET was desirable... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Gee Ric, you're a Simon Cowell look-alike....
--=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Ric,
Aren't you afriad some half-crazed operative is going to come guning for = you one day? =20 --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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kates, I bet you thought Caryl Chessman was "cute", too.
Gee Ric, you're a Simon Cowell look-alike.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Martin Baxter wrote in message ...
Capt.American wrote: Whats the name of the book you wrote? You could try following the link that he posted. Yo numb nuts, He had no link with his first post. Cheers 2U Capt. American Cheers Marty |
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"Ric" wrote in message ...
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Capt.American wrote: Whats the name of the book you wrote? You could try following the link that he posted. Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't really have a "home country" Whats wrong crybaby, no ones stupid enough to have a traitor for a citizen? and I would also far rather not have it under US flag if I can avoid it Then dont buy it douch bag! Keep your sticking money. as I quite like to have boats of other nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war machine. Kiss my ass dick breath, I had waves and friendly conversation from boats and people from all over this earth. Sounds like the USCG needs to be inspecting traitors like you, no telling what your stealing or who your selling out.. Do us all a favor and stay out of US waters, your not welcome. Your Un-desireable. I just hope the National security office picks up on you. Key words for echelon NIS, CIA, FBI : Bomb-nuclear-Bio dirty . End of Key words Please investigate this mans (Ric the author) actions he is an undesireable alien , track him down and ship him to gitmo. Capt. American Capt. American |
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Jax said: bet you thought Caryl Chessman was "cute", too.
I have no idea who that person is.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Jax compared a serial killer to Simon Cowell :Caryl Chessman=20
You really do have a very warped mind...what does a music producer have = to do with a wackoid sociopathic murderer? And why would you interpret = that I think someone is "cute" (which BTW means, bow-legged and not = attractive) because I said they looked like someone else? If I said = that I thought you looked like Mr Rogers on a bad sweater day does that = imply I think you or Mr Rogers is cute? Get a life Jax....the Gong Show = went off the air a long time ago... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Caryl Chessman was not a killer, as I recall. Kates, for someone who said she
didn't know who the guy was you certainly made some strong incriminations. Jax compared a serial killer to Simon Cowell :Caryl Chessman=20 You really do have a very warped mind...what does a music producer have = to do with a wackoid sociopathic murderer? And why would you interpret = that I think someone is "cute" (which BTW means, bow-legged and not = attractive) because I said they looked like someone else? If I said = that I thought you looked like Mr Rogers on a bad sweater day does that = imply I think you or Mr Rogers is cute? Get a life Jax....the Gong Show = went off the air a long time ago... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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dave, *I* suggest you take a look at the word "control" as interpreted by the
courts. sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats. I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that "control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 |
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no, fleton. you were NOT thinking. quit lying like that.
sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats. I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that "control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 I was thinking the same thing, Dave. In the context that Jax quoted, but seems to misunderstand, I gathered the term control was *as in effective ownership*, not the simple operation of a boat. In other words, no "citizen" acting as a straw man while the boat is effectively owned, or controlled, by a noncitizen. |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Ric, You covert American Rights but knock our values. No I don't I just want to buy a boat there. Why do you imagine I covet your rights? I think Amerikans have far less rights than I have as a New Zealander, or even as a French person. We have far more personal freedoms, a freer press, a fairer government. I would never want to live in your country - I just want to buy the boat then get out fast. |
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"katysails" wrote in message ... Ric, Aren't you afriad some half-crazed operative is going to come guning for you one day? Oh there's always loonies out there, especially in Amerika. But here in France people are better balanced, and also not so gun-crazy. |
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"Plastiekske" wrote in message ... Ric wrote: So what was the status of the boat after it was deleted from documentation? As you mentioned earlier, you never registered it in Belgium because of the tax. Was the boat just not registered anywhere in the interim? well, since I bought it less than three weeks ago, it's still lying in it's slip in Georgia, undocumented. There's a catch-22 situation in this: in order to register the boat in Belgium, it has to be physically present in Belgium, but ... in order to sail it to Belgium, it has to be registered :( Ah that's useful to know, so in my case, as I want to sail it back to NZ over a period of several years, I could just sail it unregistered. |
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"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... yeah, the guy knowingly and deliberately committed a crime breaking a low the Brits feel is vital for their national security. Read my book you muppet. You don't know what you are talking about clearly. Now, the clown wants us to grant him a visa so he can what? Knowingly and deliberately commit a crime breaking a law we feel vital for our national security? What law might that be? Buying a boat is now a crime in the USA? Wouldn't surprise me... |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message et... Buy it somewhere else - we don't need you business Actually I think your country does need the business, with record currnet account imbalance you'd probably quite like a couple of hundred thousand hard euros in the bank. The USD is just monopoly money these days. |
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Ric wrote:
Forgive him, he's obviously a bit thick as I also explained that I don't really have a "home country" and I would also far rather not have it under US flag if I can avoid it as I quite like to have boats of other nationalities give me a friendly waive as they pass, and I don't want the USCG messing me around and I don't want to contribute my money to the US war machine. You could try registering it in my province, Ontario. When I registered my boat all they wanted was the bill of sale and the GST, (8%), didn't ask where I was from, or for ID for that matter. This is not the same as documentation, but you get a nice little certificate that says that you are the owner of the vessel and that it is registered in Canada. You then must put a set of letters and numbers on the side of the vessel. Cheers Marty |
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Peter Wiley wrote:
Lot of truth in that. The USA asserts the right to search US registered vessels anywhere, any time, in international waters. AFAIK the USCG asserts it's rights to search any vessel, anywhere, priod. Nationality of register does not enter the equation. Quite a few countries don't agree, and for the most part, the USCG doesn't get in their face about it. Although there have been a few cases under 'hot pursuit' doctrine. ... Somehow it escapes the right wing nutcases like CA that this violates US citizens' right to be free from arbitrary search. It doesn't escape them, it's just more comfortable to ignore it. Besides, not even the US Constition guarantees the same freedoms on the water to those on land. WRT attitudes there was a book published recently by an Australian woman. She was a left wing bleeding heart who I'd argue with instantly but some of her observations on US boats & attitudes were interesting. Like what? If you're going to take the boat out of the USA ASAP, try the Cook Islands or similar. As a NZ citizen you might find registering it there relatively simple - pay and forget. Panama possibly? Possibly, but re-registering an American boat in Panama might be a red flag to the drug war troops. There is a huge expat poppulation in the Caribbean, and most of them seem to have boats. I don't know what they do about registry, but it might be worth looking into. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Capt.American wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote in message ... Capt.American wrote: Whats the name of the book you wrote? You could try following the link that he posted. Yo numb nuts, He had no link with his first post. Ah, the school yard epithet, first recourse of the cognitively challenged. The link was posted about six hours before your post, do try and read all the information before posting stupid responses. Cheers Marty |
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Serves me right for bottom posting!
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:35:36 -0500, "Jeff Morris" said: I originally posted that the owner must be a US citizen and posted the link to the VDC. Ah, yes. I see that only Jax's words appeared on my screen. Didn't scroll down far enough. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 |
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Jax, ignorant again, stated:=20
Caryl Chessman was not a killer, as I recall. Kates, for someone who = said she didn't know who the guy was you certainly made some strong = incriminations. Google Caryl Chessman..... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Rci stated;=20
-- Oh there's always loonies out there Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a brit operative..Doubt = there's enough of our CIA left to make the effort... katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Bobsprit wrote:=20
Buy it somewhere else - we don't need you business Didn't see the new figures about our trade deficit, huh? --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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There are several different issues going on here. One is "control" as in
ownership, and the law as are very clear - documented vessels must be owned by citizens. The stockholders of a holding corporation must be mostly citizens, etc. Jax is also claiming that the operator of the vessel must also be a citizen - in particular he's claiming that if you loan or charter your documented vessel to a non-citizen you at in violation. I found the CPR that specifically permits chartering of recreational vessels, and I've never heard that loaning is forbidden. If it were anyone but jaxie I'd be tempted to call the CG and ask. "Dave" wrote in message ... On 11 Mar 2004 01:46:10 GMT, (JAXAshby) said: sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats. I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that "control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 |
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jeffies, you are no more an admiralty lawyer than you are a lingere model.
***people have lost their documentation because a noncitizen was found operating the vessel with no citizen aboard*** There are several different issues going on here. One is "control" as in ownership, and the law as are very clear - documented vessels must be owned by citizens. The stockholders of a holding corporation must be mostly citizens, etc. Jax is also claiming that the operator of the vessel must also be a citizen - in particular he's claiming that if you loan or charter your documented vessel to a non-citizen you at in violation. I found the CPR that specifically permits chartering of recreational vessels, and I've never heard that loaning is forbidden. If it were anyone but jaxie I'd be tempted to call the CG and ask. "Dave" wrote in message ... On 11 Mar 2004 01:46:10 GMT, (JAXAshby) said: sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats. I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that "control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 |
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felton, the mags report a specific story of exactly that happening every few
years, always with the owner bitching he didn't know. Most of the time in a boarding the coasties don't much care and if the guy has a US drivers license they consider him a citizen. nevertheless, if they do check for citizenship and do find a problem, the boat owner has a problem. and fleton, quit claiming you are thinking. no, fleton. you were NOT thinking. quit lying like that. Perhaps you would post a link to a case where someone loses their documentation for allowing a foreigner to sail their boat without a citizen aboard. You should really call your nearest community college and ask any freshman pre-law student to explain the verbage you posted about "effective control" as it relates to ownership. Next you will be claiming I can't loan my car to a foreigner or I will lose title to my vehicle. sorry, jeffies, people have lost their documentation by letting noncitizens control (meaning no citizen onboard) their documented boats. I'd suggest you take a careful look at the meaning of "control" in this context, bearing in mind that there are specific provisions dealing with owners, officers and directors of a corporation. My suspicion is that "control" is not synonymous with "operate." For example, if a person has the power to elect a majority of a corporation's directors, he's generally said to "control" the corporation, and might also be said to "control" the vessel owned by the corporation, even if he's 1000 miles away from it. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 I was thinking the same thing, Dave. In the context that Jax quoted, but seems to misunderstand, I gathered the term control was *as in effective ownership*, not the simple operation of a boat. In other words, no "citizen" acting as a straw man while the boat is effectively owned, or controlled, by a noncitizen. |
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I just want to buy the boat then get out fast.
skip the middle step. just get out fast. buy a boat somewhere else. NZ for instance, or France which you love so much. |
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felton wrote:
Not that I would recommend such a devious scheme, but in the world of "what ifs"... What if you sold the boat to a willing buyer, for say $10,000. At the same time, the new buyer grants you an option to purchase the boat for $10,000 and hires you to deliver the boat to Europe, where the new buyer plans to cruise the boat. Plans change for unforeseen circumstances once the boat is in Europe, say somewhere in the Antwerp area, and you exercise your option to purchase the boat. The boat is then registered in Belgium and tax is paid based on it's purchase price of $10,000. An alternative might be to sell a partnership interest to an American, who could document the boat. Transport the boat to Europe. Register the boat, terminate the partnerhsip. I would hate to see you part with a boat for purely paperwork complexities. Think form over substance...that is how the government works:) the first 'what if' scheme looks promising (at last a ray of light through the red tape). Let's say I would go with this scenario and that I already had someone who would be willing to play along ... would anybody be interested to crew (part of) the trip? (just remove the "no.s" from the email adress to answer directly) BTW: how did you know I was from the "say somewhere in the Antwerp area" ? :) Frank |
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dum dum, *you* said *you* broke a Brit law and they wish to arrest you for it.
that is not our problem, but rather yours. we don't give visas to people who are wanted for criminal actions in other countries. are you really just on this ng because you are trying to flog some dumb book about your criminal actions in the UK? is that why in the entire world this is the only place you can buy a boat? yeah, the guy knowingly and deliberately committed a crime breaking a low the Brits feel is vital for their national security. Read my book you muppet. You don't know what you are talking about clearly. Now, the clown wants us to grant him a visa so he can what? Knowingly and deliberately commit a crime breaking a law we feel vital for our national security? What law might that be? Buying a boat is now a crime in the USA? Wouldn't surprise me... |
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the squathead is flogging a book. nothing more.
Buy it somewhere else - we don't need you business Actually I think your country does need the business, with record currnet account imbalance you'd probably quite like a couple of hundred thousand hard euros in the bank. The USD is just monopoly money these days. |
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Caryl Chessman was not a killer, as I recall. Kates, for someone who =
said she didn't know who the guy was you certainly made some strong = incriminations. Google Caryl Chessman..... I just did. through several pages of google, no mention that Chessman killed anyone. kates, you still think he was "cute"? |
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France would be a great country if the French would leave.
Oh there's always loonies out there, especially in Amerika. But here in France people are better balanced, and also not so gun-crazy. |
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bob, the dum-dum is flogging a book, trying to make money off his criminal
actions. if he really wanted to buy a boat there are lots of places to buy one. Indeed, the French areas of the Caribbean are reportedly chock-a-block with boats sailed by Frenchies there and then left behind. France would be a great country if the French would leave. Oh there's always loonies out there, especially in Amerika. But here in France people are better balanced, and also not so gun-crazy. |
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On 11 Mar 2004 10:02:13 -0600, Dave wrote:
On 11 Mar 2004 04:59:27 GMT, (JAXAshby) said: dave, *I* suggest you take a look at the word "control" as interpreted by the courts. Don't need to, Jax. I've been a practicing lawyer for 30 years, and the term "control" and its meaning comes up about once a week in my practice areas. Matter of fact, I've written 3 legal memoranda in the last month on the meaning of "control" under various statutes and regulations. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Oh great, now Jax will challenge you to a math contest:) Jax is a classic example of a person who doesn't recognize the things he doesn't comprehend. Most of us, at a certain stage in life, learn to tell the difference. |
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